Outrage at friar’s claims that it is often the teenage boys who seduce priests in religious sex abuse cases… and he calls Sandusky ‘a poor guy’

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PUBLISHED: 08:49 GMT, 30 August 2012  | UPDATED: 13:57 GMT, 30 August 2012

  • Father Benedict Groeschel described Jerry Sandusky as a ‘poor guy’
  • He said priests found guilty of abuse should not go to jail if it is their first offence

Father Benedict Groeschel has sparked outrage claiming it is often boys who seduce priests in religious sex abuse cases

A friar has sparked outrage after claiming it is often the boys who seduce priests in religious sexual abuse cases.

In an interview with the National Catholic Register, Father Benedict Groeschel of the conservative Franciscan Friars of the Renewal, said he did not believe a priest found guilty of sexual absuse should go to jail if it was his first offence.

He even went on to describe disgraced Penn State football coach Jerry Sandusky as a ‘poor guy’.

Father Groeschel, an influential voice in the American catholic community, has written several books and appears weekly on a religious television network.

He said: ‘People have this picture in their minds of a person planning to [be] a psychopath.

‘But that’s not the case. Suppose you have a man having a nervous breakdown, and a youngster comes after him. A lot of the cases, the youngster — 14, 16, 18 — is the seducer.’

He added: ‘Here’s this poor guy Sandusky it went on for years. Interesting: Why didn’t anyone say anything? Apparently, a number of kids knew about it and didn’t break the ice.

‘Well, you know, until recent years, people did not register in their minds that it was a crime. It was a moral failure, scandalous; but they didn’t think of it in terms of legal things.’

‘If you go back 10 or 15 years ago with different sexual difficulties — except for rape or violence — it was very rarely brought as a civil crime.’

Asked to clarify his commenst he went on to suggest that most of these ‘relationships’ are heterosexual in nature, which historically have not been thought of as a crime.

He said: ‘If you go back 10 or 15 years ago with different sexual difficulties — except for rape or violence — it was very rarely brought as a civil crime. Nobody thought of it that way.

‘Sometimes statutory rape would be — but only if the girl pushed her case. Parents wouldn’t touch it. People backed off, for years, on sexual cases. I’m not sure why.

‘I think perhaps part of the reason would be an embarrassment, that it brings the case out into the open, and the girl’s name is there, or people will figure out what’s there, or the youngster involved — you know, it’s not put in the paper, but everybody knows; they’re talking about it.

‘At this point, any priest, any clergyman, any social worker, any teacher, any responsible person in society would become involved in a single sexual act — not necessarily intercourse — they’re done.

‘And I’m inclined to think, on their first offense, they should not go to jail because their intention was not committing a crime.’

But Father Groeschel’s comments immediately prompted a string of angry posts.

‘Poor guy’: Father Groeschel suggested disgraced Penn State football coach Jerry Sandusky was a victim

One anonymous writer raged: ‘Those comments on abuse make me shiver.  I really really hope he doesn’t actually think the way he explained things in those answers.

‘Jerry Sandusky is a monster and the image people have in their mind when his name comes up is that of an evil pervert committing unspeakable acts on an innocent 10 year old in a shower.’

Another wrote: ‘Comments like this about pedophilia take the biscuit. I am disgusted at what I have just read.

‘How dare this prominent priest accuse abuse victims of acting as seducers! You can NEVER justify or condone pedophilia. It is a disordered and depraved act. God forgive you for your comments!’

Siginificantly The National Catholic Register is a publication affiliated with the disgraced Legion of Christ religious order.

The legion, which in 1995 helped saved the National Catholic Register from closing, was involved in one of the most damaging Catholic sexual abuse scandals of recent times.

Its former leader, the Rev. Marcial Maciel, who had close links to Pope John Paul II, had been investigated for a string of sexual abuse claims since the mid 1950s.

In 2005, the Vatican was dragged into disrepute after it emerged Maciel had been abusing seminarians for year.

New York State-based Groeschel founded the Trinity Retreat, which hot the headlines in 2006  after it emerged priests accused of sexually abusing children, were being given the option stay at the retreat under supervision.

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Father Benedict Groeschel’s disturbing comments

Renew America

30 August 2012

By Matt C. Abbott

My favorite living spiritual writer, Father Benedict Groeschel, made some comments in a recent interview with the National Catholic Register that I find quite disturbing.

The portion of the interview with Father Groeschel addressing the issue of sexual abuse is as follows (click here to read the interview, which is wide-ranging, in its entirety):


      [Interviewer]:

Part of your work here at Trinity has been working with priests involved in abuse, no?

      [Father Groeschel]: A little bit, yes; but you know, in those cases, they have to leave. And some of them profoundly — profoundly — penitential, horrified. People have this picture in their minds of a person planning to — a psychopath. But that’s not the case. Suppose you have a man having a nervous breakdown, and a youngster comes after him
      . A lot of the cases, the youngster — 14, 16, 18 — is the seducer.
      [Interviewer]:

Why would that be?

      [Father Greoschel]: Well, it’s not so hard to see — a kid looking for a father and didn’t have his own — and they won’t be planning to get into heavy-duty sex, but almost romantic, embracing, kissing, perhaps sleeping but not having intercourse or anything like that.
        It’s an understandable thing, and you know where you find it, among other clergy or important people; you look at teachers, attorneys, judges, social workers. Generally, if they get involved, it’s heterosexually, and if it’s a priest, he leaves and gets married — that’s the usual thing — and gets a dispensation. A lot of priests leave quickly, get civilly married and then apply for the dispensation, which takes about three years.

     

          But there are the relatively rare cases where a priest is involved in a homosexual way with a minor. I think the statistic I read recently in a secular psychology review was about 2%. Would that be true of other clergy? Would it be true of doctors, lawyers, coaches?
          Here’s this poor guy — [Penn State football coach Jerry] Sandusky — it went on for years. Interesting: Why didn’t anyone say anything? Apparently, a number of kids knew about it and didn’t break the ice. Well, you know, until recent years, people did not register in their minds that it was a crime. It was a moral failure, scandalous; but they didn’t think of it in terms of legal things.
          If you go back 10 or 15 years ago with different sexual difficulties — except for rape or violence — it was very rarely brought as a civil crime. Nobody thought of it that way. Sometimes statutory rape would be — but only if the girl pushed her case. Parents wouldn’t touch it. People backed off, for years, on sexual cases. I’m not sure why.
          I think perhaps part of the reason would be an embarrassment, that it brings the case out into the open, and the girl’s name is there, or people will figure out what’s there, or the youngster involved — you know, it’s not put in the paper, but everybody knows; they’re talking about it.
          At this point, (when) any priest, any clergyman, any social worker, any teacher, any responsible person in society would become involved in a single sexual act — not necessarily intercourse — they’re done. And I’m inclined to think, on their first offense, they should not go to jail because their intention was not committing a crime.

      Because I have such profound respect and admiration for Father Groeschel, it pains me to say this, but I think he’s terribly misguided here. Perhaps in his advanced age he’s not articulating himself as well as he used to; I don’t know. I want to give him the benefit of the doubt, but, in this instance, it’s very difficult.

      When asked by me to respond to Father’s aforementioned comments, a faithful Catholic who has worked with victims of sexual abuse wrote:

      “First of all, Father Groeschel’s suggestion that sex abusers of any profession should not get jail for a first offense — because, he claims, they don’t ‘intend’ to abuse — is simply incomprehensible. What on earth does he mean? Doesn’t he know that a good intention does not by itself make an act good? Hasn’t he read the Catechism of the Catholic Church?

      “Moreover, with all due respect to Father Groeschel, it is utterly irresponsible to suggest that a priest, who is in a position of moral authority, should be excused for permitting himself to be ‘seduced’ by a young person. That is not at all the message coming from the Vatican, which has been trying with increasing urgency to get bishops to take decisive action to protect young people and bring healing to victims.”

      I ask my concerned Catholic readers: What’s your take on Father’s comments?

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      Sympathy for ‘this poor guy’ Jerry Sandusky and other pedophiles? New York friar blames youngsters who ‘seduce’ priests, coaches

      Father Benedict Groeschel: ‘Suppose you have a man having a nervous breakdown, and a youngster comes after him. A lot of the cases, the youngster… is the seducer.’

      The New York Daily News

      30 August 2012  10:58 AM

      By  Victoria Cavaliere  / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS

      Fatherbenedict.com
      Father Benedict Groeschel blamed some teens for “seducing” unsuspecting priests. He also referred to convicted Penn State pedophile Jerry Sandusky as a “poor guy.”

      A prominent New York-based friar has sympathy for some pedophiles — including defrocked priests and former Penn State assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky — saying they are sometimes “seduced” by their underage victims.

      Father Benedict Groeschel’s jarring comments come amid ongoing fallout from child sex abuse scandals that have rocked Penn State and, over the past decade, the Catholic Church.

      In some of these cases, children “looking for a father figure” are responsible for the relationship with someone in a position of power — like a coach or clergy member, Groeschel told the National Catholic Register.

      “Suppose you have a man having a nervous breakdown, and a youngster comes after him. A lot of the cases, the youngster – 14, 16, 18 – is the seducer,” said Groeschel, a founder of the Franciscan Friars of the Renewal.

      Pressed on the point, Father Groeschel says “It’s not so hard to see – a kid looking for a father and didn’t have his own – and they won’t be planning to get into heavy-duty sex, but almost romantic, embracing, kissing.”

      The Westchester-based friar — who maintains a prominent position in the Catholic Church, doing outreach in the Bronx and Brooklyn and appearing on a weekly religious television show — doesn’t think an adult who has a sexual relationship with a child should be punished for a first offense.

      “I’m inclined to think, on their first offense, they should not go to jail because their intention was not committing a crime.”

      He also has some sympathy for Jerry Sandusky, convicted in June of 45 counts of sexual abuse of boys.

      “Here’s this poor guy – Sandusky – it went on for years. Interesting: Why didn’t anyone say anything?”

      Witnesses and victims didn’t necessarily see the abuse as a crime, he proposed.

      “It was a moral failure, scandalous; but they didn’t think of it in terms of legal things.”

      Groeschel’s office in Larchmont, N.Y., did not immediately respond to the Daily News’ request for clarification.

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      Note to Fr. Groeschel: It wasn’t the kids’ fault

      National Catholic Reporter

      29 August 2012

      by Tom Robertson

      Fr. Benedict Groeschel has led an inspiring life, particularly in his role as head of a band of brothers known as the Franciscan Friars of the Renewal. I’ve written admiringly of the Brooklyn-based friars in the past. For whatever one might think of their rather conservative approach to religious matters (Fr. Groeschel is a regular on EWTN), the friars live out of the heart of the gospel’s admonition to be with the poor, a position that has no liberal or conservative slant.

      In short, they put their lives on the line.

      In a recent interview with John Burger for the National Catholic Register, Groeschel looks back on his 25 years with the friars, a growing national and international community that started as a part of the better-known Capuchin Franciscans. His reflections are worth reading and his recollections at the end of the piece, a poetic reflection on death that leads to a recounting of a powerful moment as a youth, are particularly edifying.

      But there is a section of the interview, in which he discusses the sex abuse crisis, that simply cannot stand unchallenged. It is particularly disturbing because he’s earned significant credentials in psychology. Asked whether he’s worked with priests who have been abusive he said:

      “A little bit, yes; but you know, in those cases they have to leave. And some of them profoundly – profoundly – penitential, horrified. People have this picture in their minds of a person planning to – a psychopath. But that’s not the case. Suppose you have a man having a nervous breakdown, and a youngster comes after him (emphasis in original). A lot of the cases, the youngster – 14, 15 18 – is the seducer.”

      Let’s throw out the 18-year-olds and the whole question of power relationships and such. The majority of cases occurred with youngsters well below that age and in situations where the kids, not the priests, were the vulnerable and needy ones.

      Fr. Groeschel might want to spend some time – there are week’s worth, if not more, of material to peruse – on the bishopaccountability.com Web site. There he’ll find transcripts, letters from bishops, depositions, court transcriptions and grand jury reports that should go rather far in convincing him that the primary problem with the sex abuse scandal among Catholic clergy was not seductive eight, nine and 10-year-olds. Not even 14-18- year olds.

      The paper in which the interview appeared – the National Catholic Register – was once owned by the Legion of Christ. Don’t go looking into their files for any truth on the life of the late Marciel Maciel Degollado, founder of the order, at least while the publication was under control of the Legion. It has since been sold – part of the selloff of the order’s assets – to EWTN. It is heartening to see that the current readers also find Groeschel’s comments about abuse deeply disturbing.

      Certainly Fr. Groeschel knows that Maciel, who lived a variety of lives and was ultimately sanctioned by the Vatican, not only molested his own young seminarians, but had children by at least two women.

      The testimony of Maciel’s victims is abundant. His behavior was monstrous, and not because little boys were seducing him. He exemplifies that side of the clerical culture that is both calculating and deceptive – he had many fooled, including a pope – and that is far more the heart of the problem than seductive kids.

      A depressing sameness emerges from the pattern of the scandal and the coverup that was deliberately carried out over decades and, as we continue to learn, across cultures. At its worst moments here, it involved far more than two percent of the ordained in this country.

      The scandal is perpetuated because the church, particularly in the person of its bishops, has gone to great lengths to conceal the truth over decades. Attempting now to alter the truth of the matter and to place the blame on the victims will only re-open old wounds and paint the church anew as an institution incapable of dealing with its own sin.

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      Fr. Benedict Groeschel Responds to his Critics

      Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights

      May 23, 2003 by admin

      (Catalyst 5/2003)

      Father Benedict Groeschel, C.F.R. is a good friend of the Catholic League. On March 2, the Dallas Morning News published an article about him titled, “Priest plays down abuse crisis while helping clergy keep jobs.” It was written by Brooks Egerton, a staff writer for the News; he is also the past chairman of the Texas chapter of the National Lesbian and Gay Journalists Association. The article was reprinted in the Philadelphia Inquirer on March 23. Another article critical of Father Groeschel was written by Maya Kremen; it appeared in the Paterson, NJ Herald News on March 4.

      Father Groeschel has responded to the articles and we are reprinting his answers point by point to set the record straight. We have taken the liberty of splicing his remarks so that the point-counterpoint context is readily understandable.

      Dallas Morning News: In the world according to Father Benedict Groeschel, the Catholic Church’s sexual abuse scandal is largely the stuff of fiction. Reporters “doing the work of Satan” are driven to lie, the New York priest says, because they hate the church’s moral teachings.

      Fr. Benedict: I do stand by my statement that the secular media have taken the scandal out of proportion, ignored many charges of abuse of minors and committed by others in professional roles, created the impression that this is only a problem of Catholic clergy. Writers as varied as George Weigel, Philip Jenkins, Andrew Greeley, Richard Neuhaus and Peter Steinfels have all been critical of the media coverage of these scandals.

      DMN: The Franciscan friar’s base is a mansion on Long Island Sound, where he runs the Archdiocese of New York’s spiritual development office and Trinity Retreat Center for clergy.

      BG: I have not been the director of Trinity Retreat for ten years. This retreat for priests has never been referred to before as a mansion. In fact, I don’t even live in the building. I have lived for years in the garage.

      DMN: According to his own written account, he has counseled hundreds of his brethren and “happily, 85 priests have returned to the active ministry.”

      BG: Egerton mentions that 85 priests have returned to the active ministry through Trinity Retreat, implying that some of these priests had difficulties with minors. These were priests on leaves of absence, not priests who had been accused of any misbehavior at all.

      DMN: Father Groeschel… declined interview requests.

      BG: I did not decline to be interviewed. I never spoke to Mr. Egerton because I was not at home when he called.

      DMN: Dallas Bishop Charles Grahmann has allowed one of his priests, removed from parish work after the diocese concluded he had abused a girl, to help manage the retreat center in recent years. That priest, the Rev. Richard T. Brown, moved to a hermitage a few months ago….

      BG: Fr. Richard Brown never assisted in the management of Trinity Retreat. He did typing and recorded reservations for priests coming on retreat. He lived a most prayerful and ascetical life while here and he had done so for many years before as many people have said. He did no pastoral work in the New York Archdiocese, nor did anyone ever request permission for him to do so.

      DMN: Leaders of the neighboring Diocese of Paterson, N.J., one of several that sent business to Father Groeschel, blamed three “unfortunate” reassignments on his advice.

      Letter from Marianna Thompson, Director of Communications, Diocese of Paterson, to the Herald-News: I never used the word “blame” in my conversations with the Dallas Morning News. The diocesan focus in this issue is not to cast blame on others….

      DMN: “It just burns me to no end,” said Buddy Cotton, who has accused the Rev. James Hanley of abusing him in the Paterson Diocese and recently called Bishop Rodimer to complain about Father Groeschel.

      BG: [From a letter to the Herald News 3/3/03] I had nothing to do with the reappointment of James Hanley to another parish after he was removed from Mendham as a result of serious accusations of abuse of minors. In fact, I had never heard of the case. I became involved when Hanley came on retreat after he was removed a second time from a new assignment.

      DMN: A psychologist who evaluated Father [Morgan] Kuhl for federal prosecutors recommended that he “be enrolled in a program specific to sex offenders,” not just in the general psychotherapy and spiritual counseling he was getting…. U.S. District Judge Anne Thompson initially sentenced Father Kuhl to a short prison term followed by house arrest. But she later reduced the penalty, over the objections of prosecutor Donna Krappa, to five years of probation and ordered the priest to “adhere to the program requirements at Trinity Retreat.”

      In advocating probation, Father Groeschel represented himself to the court as a counseling psychologist, Ms. Krappa said in an interview. New York state officials said he has never had the license generally required for use of that title. Using the title without a license is a misdemeanor, state officials said.

      BG: I can say Morgan Kuhl never received any treatment from me and was in fact directly enrolled in a formal treatment program elsewhere. We provided a supervised residence, which the court agreed to continue.

      As to the issue of my not having a license: a Doctor of Psychology does not need a license unless he is receiving third part payments for instance from an insurance company or an agency. I never intended to receive any pay doing psychological counseling or spiritual direction, so I never bothered about a license. In fact I have never been paid a cent for my services that Mr. Egerton refers to as “business.” It is not uncommon for professors of psychology not to obtain licenses to practice, because clinical practice is not our principal vocation.

      BG: [To the Herald News] I am at a great disadvantage in defending myself because of the right of confidentiality of the people involved. I have worked as a therapist and spiritual director with clergy for 30 years after obtaining a doctorate in Counseling Psychology at Columbia University. I have never charged a fee and have never asked for or received payment. I have seen clergy of various different denominations and faiths. Like any therapist I have made mistakes. People forget that therapists and spiritual directors are neither prosecutors nor defense attorneys. Since I cannot defend myself, I think that any honest person will admit that what has been said against me is unfair and based on misinformation. Being a strong advocate of Church reform does not make you popular—but Jesus did not suggest that we would be popular if we try to follow Him.

      CLOSING COMMENTS BY FATHER GROESCHEL:

      Since the accusations came out, I contacted each of the priests involved and obtained their permission to state publicly that I neither evaluated nor treated them. They were all treated in very well-known professional programs and their placements were based on the joint decisions of well-known psychiatrists, psychologists and mental health professionals. At the suggestion of Cardinal O’Connor, we offered the Trinity Retreat as a place of retreat, prayer, penance and rehabilitation to priests. I often passed on the written recommendation of other mental health professionals.

      WILLIAM DONOHUE OFFERED THESE REMARKS:

      Father Benedict Groeschel is a courageous and brilliant priest who has given his life to the Catholic Church. Only those who seek to undermine Catholicism would ever lash out at him. And when they do, the Catholic League will not hesitate to rush to his defense.

      Father Benedict Groeschel, C.F.R., is the Director of the Office for Spiritual Development of the New York Archdiocese and a founding member of the Franciscan Friars of the Renewal.

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      Priest Plays down Abuse Crisis

      Prominent Friar’s Counseling Criticized by NJ Diocese, Victims

      The Dallas Morning News

      02 March 2003

      By Brooks Egerton

      In the world according to Father Benedict Groeschel, the Catholic Church’s sexual abuse scandal is largely the stuff of fiction. Reporters “doing the work of Satan” are driven to lie, the New York priest says, because they hate the church’s moral teachings.

      These are not the opinions of a marginal figure. Indeed, Father Groeschel is one of the most prominent priests in America, reaching millions with his books, tapes, parish lectures and regular appearances on the Eternal Word Television Network.

      His stature is high among many church leaders, too – he has heard the confessions of a cardinal, consulted with the Vatican on a case for sainthood, been a friend to Mother Teresa.

      The preface to his media-blaming 2002 book From Scandal to Hope was written by Milwaukee Archbishop Timothy Dolan, who praised Father Groeschel for putting the abuse scandal in context.

      For all his commentary on the crisis, Father Groeschel has revealed few details about his role as a player in it: He has been a key figure for 30 years in the loose-knit nationwide network of therapists who have helped troubled priests keep working.

      The Franciscan friar’s base is a mansion on Long Island Sound, where he runs the Archdiocese of New York’s spiritual development office and Trinity Retreat Center for clergy. There, according to his own written account, he has counseled hundreds of his brethren and “happily, 85 priests have returned to the active ministry.”

      Father Groeschel, who declined interview requests, has not said publicly how many of his clients were accused of abuse. Archdiocesan spokesman Joseph Zwilling would not comment on Father Groeschel.

      Dallas Bishop Charles Grahmann has allowed one of his priests, removed from parish work after the diocese concluded he had abused a girl, to help manage the retreat center in recent years. That priest, the Rev. Richard T. Brown, moved to a hermitage a few months ago and “is not contactable,” said Father Groeschel’s secretary, June Pulitano. Neither she nor Bishop Grahmann’s spokesman, Bronson Havard, would identify the hermitage.

      Mr. Zwilling said Father Brown “never did any pastoral work” in the archdiocese and did not have its permission to serve as a priest there.

      Leaders of the neighboring Diocese of Paterson, N.J., one of several that sent business to Father Groeschel, blamed three “unfortunate” reassignments on his advice. Two of those priests were subsequently accused of misconduct in their new jobs.

      “We relied on his recommendations,” said Marianna Thompson, spokeswoman for Paterson Bishop Frank Rodimer. Father Groeschel used words such as “transformation,” she said, and helped arrange transfers between dioceses.

      Ms. Thompson said Father Groeschel had much to recommend him – he had taught pastoral psychology at Catholic institutions and had a doctorate in psychology from Columbia University’s Teachers College. He had close ties to the late New York Cardinal John O’Connor, who endorsed the friar’s secession from a Franciscan order in the 1980s and formation of a new group that has won renown for service to the poor. The cardinal earlier had Father Groeschel prepare the sainthood case for the previous leader of New York Catholics, Cardinal Terence Cooke, for whom the priest had served as confessor.

      In From Scandal to Hope, completed shortly before the nation’s bishops met in Dallas last summer, Father Groeschel acknowledged that some priests had abused boys. He described the problem as “active homosexuality with minors,” stressing that most victims were teenagers and never mentioning girls.

      “Many of the cases now in the papers are about clergy who, perhaps under the influence of alcohol two or three decades ago, engaged in improper actions, but not sexual acts,” he wrote. “They went into treatment and have behaved well over the years.”

      Father Groeschel also said that church leaders sometimes had relied, to their detriment, on the advice of behavioral experts.

      “I’ve been involved in psychology for four decades, and we in the profession were naïve enough to think that these offenders could almost always be cured,” he wrote. Therapists “often were correct in their assessments,” but “were sometimes tragically wrong about a particular case.”

      Father Groeschel said nothing in his book about his own success rate in treating priests.

      He saved his harshest words for the news media’s coverage of the abuse issue, which he called a “blitz of lies.” Like Adolf Hitler, he wrote, news organizations are “spreading lies in order to destroy” the Catholic Church.

      “When a scandal occurs,” the priest wrote, “about two percent of what is said in the media is true.” Last month, he made similar statements to a standing-room-only crowd at a suburban Boston church.

      Such statements have infuriated victims. “It just burns me to no end,” said Buddy Cotton, who has accused the Rev. James Hanley of abusing him in the Paterson Diocese and recently called Bishop Rodimer to complain about Father Groeschel.

      The bishop, Mr. Cotton said, agreed that Father Groeschel “had failed a lot of victims.”

      Ms. Thompson, the bishop’s spokeswoman, said Father Groeschel’s critique of the media was misguided. “Bishop Rodimer has told the media, ‘Thank you for opening the window on this,’ ” she said. “The media have been fair. We created this story, not the press.”

      The victims

      Father Groeschel has said he is sensitive to victims.

      “As a psychologist for priests, I have occasionally spoken to the victims of priests and to their families,” he wrote in From Scandal to Hope. “I can only say that I am deeply, deeply grieved. I often had to accept their anger, not directed personally at me, but at Church authorities. …

      “I am willing,” he added, “to suffer with the victims.”

      Mark Serrano, who also has said that Father Hanley abused him as a boy, questioned Father Groeschel’s sincerity. His skepticism, he said, is based on an experience he had after his family’s complaints led Bishop Rodimer to suspend Father Hanley.

      In 1986, the year after the abuse complaints, Mr. Serrano agreed to talk to Father Groeschel, who was counseling Father Hanley. Mr. Serrano, who was then a college student, said he thought the counselor “wanted more information” for therapeutic purposes. Instead, Mr. Serrano said, Father Groeschel lashed out at him.

      “He said, ‘Why don’t you stop harassing this poor priest? He’s a sick man. You are wrong for what you’re doing to him.’ ”

      Monsignor Kenneth Lasch, a Paterson diocesan priest, said he had urged Mr. Serrano to talk with Father Groeschel because the friar had expressed pastoral concern for Mr. Serrano – “something like, ‘Mark seems to be a troubled person.’ ”

      Hearing Mr. Serrano’s account of what ensued “left me very, very uncomfortable,” Monsignor Lasch said, “and made me wonder what was going on” at Father Groeschel’s retreat center.

      Father Groeschel’s 2002 book warned that Catholics would still face a crisis after “the media monster … slither[s] away to attack other victims.” He prescribed a return to conservative moral teachings, saying that nothing would restore confidence in church leadership “better than a firm stance against pornography, extramarital sex, abortion, euthanasia and the general moral decline of the United States. … Tough topics like contraception and autoeroticism need to be consistently and publicly addressed.”

      He said that the news media fail to mention that most priests aren’t pedophiles, that cover-ups occur in other denominations, and that abusers “are among the most penitent people I’ve ever met in my whole life.”

      He cited the example of the late Atlanta Archbishop Eugene Marino, who resigned in 1990 after an affair with a young woman in lay ministry and went to Father Groeschel’s retreat center, in the New York City suburb of Larchmont. He “lived a life of extreme humiliation, humility and penitence,” Father Groeschel wrote.

      In the mid-1990s, Archbishop Marino became spiritual director of the outpatient Clergy Consultation and Treatment Service at St. Vincent’s Hospital, near Trinity Retreat. It was formed at the request of the late Cardinal O’Connor and works closely with the retreat center.

      One priest who was counseled by Archbishop Marino and Father Groeschel was the Rev. Morgan Kuhl.

      He was sent to them in 1999, after he solicited sex online from undercover officers posing as adolescent boys and was arrested. The subsequent FBI investigation showed that he had met teens this way and abused them.

      Clergy treatment

      The prosecution of Father Kuhl, who has been removed from ministry, opened a rare window into the Catholic clergy treatment system.

      A psychologist who evaluated Father Kuhl for federal prosecutors recommended that he “be enrolled in a program specific to sex offenders,” not just in the general psychotherapy and spiritual counseling he was getting. Dr. Barry Katz wrote that the priest “expressed regret over the effects that his actions have had upon himself, but no remorse for the effect that his actions have had upon the minors with whom he was involved.”

      After pleading guilty, Father Kuhl apologized to a judge for “the hurt and the embarrassment that I have caused so many other people.” He also said he had devoted his life to helping others, and had learned in church-sponsored therapy “that there was one person I never did seem to try to help, and that was myself.”

      U.S. District Judge Anne Thompson initially sentenced Father Kuhl to a short prison term followed by house arrest. But she later reduced the penalty, over the objections of prosecutor Donna Krappa, to five years of probation and ordered the priest to “adhere to the program requirements at Trinity Retreat.”

      In advocating probation, Father Groeschel represented himself to the court as a counseling psychologist, Ms. Krappa said in an interview. New York state officials said he has never had the license generally required for use of that title. Using the title without a license is a misdemeanor, state officials said.

      “I think that the judge would have been interested in this fact,” Ms. Krappa said, “when she considered the quality of treatment Father Kuhl was receiving through the archdiocese.”

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      Declared Fit for Duty

      Officials in the Diocese of Paterson, N.J., blame these three reassignments on Father Benedict Groeschel’s advice.

      The Rev. John Picardi transferred from Boston to the Paterson Diocese in the early 1990s after being accused of raping a man. Father Groeschel wrote Paterson Bishop Frank Rodimer a letter saying that “there was no indication of any involvement with a minor or a nonconsenting adult,” although he apparently knew that the accuser felt violated. Another church document indicates that while supervising the priest’s treatment, Father Groeschel had once called a Boston archdiocesan official to ask whether the accuser was “still angry” and “in a litigious stance.”

      Marianna Thompson, spokeswoman for Bishop Rodimer, said he learned of the rape allegation only after Father Picardi was accused in 1995 of touching a girl improperly in the Paterson Diocese.

      Father Picardi has denied abusing anyone. Neither allegation resulted in criminal charges, although Ms. Thompson said that Bishop Rodimer and New Jersey child-welfare authorities concluded that the priest should not work in a parish.

      Father Picardi later got a job in the Phoenix Diocese, which removed him last month after Boston attorney Roderick MacLeish Jr., who represents many of the victims in that archdiocese’s sex abuse scandal, obtained and released his personnel file. Father Picardi could not be located for comment.

      The Rev. Patrick D. Browne transferred from the Paterson Diocese to the New York Archdiocese in the mid-1990s because of affairs with two women, said Ms. Thompson. He allegedly repeated the misconduct with a woman who was seeing him for marriage counseling and was cited in a legal action brought in New York by her husband.

      Father Browne was removed again and is not working as a priest currently, Ms. Thompson said. He did not return a message left for him with his diocesan superiors. The spokeswoman said Bishop Rodimer told the New York Archdiocese about Father Browne’s past, and relied on Father Groeschel’s feeling that his client could recommit himself to celibacy.

      The Rev. James Hanley moved in the mid-1980s from the Paterson Diocese to the Diocese of Albany, N.Y., after admitting he had sexually abused boys. He then suffered a physical collapse while working as a hospital chaplain and was recalled to New Jersey.

      Before the transfer to Albany, “Groeschel told us that the basis of [Father Hanley’s] problem was alcoholism,” Ms. Thompson said, “and that once he was treated he felt he would be fit for ministry.” He has not been criminally charged. Father Hanley, who recently asked to be removed from the priesthood, could not be reached for comment.

      18 Responses to Outrage at friar’s claims that it is often the teenage boys who seduce priests in religious sex abuse cases… and he calls Sandusky ‘a poor guy’

      1. Sylvia says:

        Father  Groeschel’s comments have caused a veritable uproar, and rightly so!  As soon as I read reference to the article in the National Catholic Register I went hunting for the article.  Well, guess what?  the article is gone – no longer accessible on the National Catholic Register website.

        I then went on a hunt hoping that someone somewhere had reproduced the article in its entirety.  No luck as yet. (If anyone finds it please send me a link. )  I did find what seems to be the relevant excerpt posted on the Renew America website.  The article is posted above.  Here is the excerpt”

        Part of your work here at Trinity has been working with priests involved in abuse, no?

            [Father Groeschel]: A little bit, yes; but you know, in those cases,
            they have to leave. And some of them profoundly — profoundly —
            penitential, horrified. People have this picture in their minds of a
            person planning to — a psychopath. But that’s not the case. Suppose you
            have a man having a nervous breakdown, and a youngster comes after him.
              . A lot of the cases, the youngster — 14, 16, 18 — is the seducer.
                [Interviewer]:

              Why would that be?

                  [Father Greoschel]: Well, it’s not so hard to see — a kid looking
                  for a father and didn’t have his own — and they won’t be planning to get
                  into heavy-duty sex, but almost romantic, embracing, kissing, perhaps
                  sleeping but not having intercourse or anything like that.
                    It’s an understandable thing, and you know where you find it, among
                    other clergy or important people; you look at teachers, attorneys,
                    judges, social workers. Generally, if they get involved, it’s
                    heterosexually, and if it’s a priest, he leaves and gets married —
                    that’s the usual thing — and gets a dispensation. A lot of priests leave
                    quickly, get civilly married and then apply for the dispensation, which
                    takes about three years.
                      But there are the relatively rare cases where a priest is involved
                      in a homosexual way with a minor. I think the statistic I read recently
                      in a secular psychology review was about 2%. Would that be true of other
                      clergy? Would it be true of doctors, lawyers, coaches?
                        Here’s this poor guy — [Penn State football coach Jerry] Sandusky —
                        it went on for years. Interesting: Why didn’t anyone say anything?
                        Apparently, a number of kids knew about it and didn’t break the ice.
                        Well, you know, until recent years, people did not register in their
                        minds that it was a crime. It was a moral failure, scandalous; but they
                        didn’t think of it in terms of legal things.
                          If you go back 10 or 15 years ago with different sexual difficulties
                          — except for rape or violence — it was very rarely brought as a civil
                          crime. Nobody thought of it that way. Sometimes statutory rape would be —
                          but only if the girl pushed her case. Parents wouldn’t touch it. People
                          backed off, for years, on sexual cases. I’m not sure why.
                            I think perhaps part of the reason would be an embarrassment, that
                            it brings the case out into the open, and the girl’s name is there, or
                            people will figure out what’s there, or the youngster involved — you
                            know, it’s not put in the paper, but everybody knows; they’re talking
                            about it.
                              At this point, (when) any priest, any clergyman, any social worker,
                              any teacher, any responsible person in society would become involved in a
                              single sexual act — not necessarily intercourse — they’re done. And I’m
                              inclined to think, on their first offense, they should not go to jail
                              because their intention was not committing a crime.

                            Disgusting. 

                            I don’t understand however why people are shocked that this garble came from the mouth of Father Grosechel.  Father Groeschel, who counsels clerical sexual predators, has long claimed that the sex abuse scandal in the Chuch is a figment of the imagination.  To that end I have included in the above posting two articles from 20003, one  with kudos to Groeshel from none other than William Donohue of the Catholic League for Religious and Civil Rights.  As far as I can tell, Donohue and Groechel are simply birds of a feather flocking together, perhaps the difference being that Donohue is a layman drawing an annual salary in excess of $400,000 to defend the indefensible.  Donohue in fact publicly defended the Legionaries of Christ notorious predatory founder Marcel Maciel after Maciel was exposed as a child molester. 

                            Is it any wonder it is an uphill battle identifying and getting  the predators out of the priesthood?

                          • PJ says:

                            People like them have no place in our society…degenerates and defenders of degenerates. They make me sick.

                          • Mike Fitzgerald says:

                                 This man (Father?) is a complete quack. I am very upset and insulted that he would refer to me, among others, as having seduced a priest 45 years my senior.
                                 Is it any wonder that the church feels it’s under attack, when it is being represented by disordered and deviant quacks such as this?      Mike.

                          • Sylvia says:

                            Thanks to a reader who managed to track down the original, here is the article in its entirety:

                            27 August 2012: Father Benedict Groeschel Reflects on 25 Years of the Franciscan Friars of the Renewal 

                          • JG says:

                            *It feels as if we were all on the Starship Enterprise and we have landed on a strange planet light years away from our galaxy!!

                            They have no idea where they are headed…and we have been following them for a long time without a trail of bread crumbs to return home…out of this black hole!

                            Children seducing priests!!!!…not unheard of as an ”out” but shocking every time they trip over this ”reasoning”…

                            I have known two good(?) Franciscans in my life. He will not be number three, for sure!

                            jg

                          • PJ says:

                            May he burn in hell…

                          • Michel says:

                            *Here is another option..according to this type of reasoning the onus is on the child to act appropriately and as said by the poor martyred priest they do not..so………..lets banish all children from any church services before they start their seductive ways, a papal encyclical of sorts that banish children from the time they are 5 to the time they reach 23 If by then they can meet with the priest without making advances and it is obvious they are able to control themselves, then they can come back into the fold. 

                          • Anne C says:

                            The outrage against the monk’s comments bodes well – it shows that society no longer tolerates such acts (or words of support for such acts) where ignoring abuse (and comments like this!) used to be the norm. I know nothing about this monk but it does sound like he very well might have cognitive confusion and/or memory loss – that much could very well be true. One way this presents is through disjointed language and personality changes –  this may be showing itself in the interview. Perhaps he should have been screened for interviews – protected by his community. If he is ill, then the Catholic Register should have investigated that – it makes me wonder why they didn’t check to see re: the monk’s mental state. Mainly, this would have protected victims from unnecessary hurt and pain. Again, not to excuse in any way what he said, but if he is ill, then it makes more sense why he’d shoot off the mouth like that.

                          • PJ says:

                            And this leads me to another question…the catholic register that this idiot was so highly regarded that they never check the article. Does this mean they regularly censor stuff that doesn’t “fit” their view? So had they reviewed the article, they would have simply removed the offending statements and then printed the rest of his interview misleading all their readers (typical) that the guy’s word/thoughts are gospel. A responsible organization would have NEVER allowed the article to be printed AND, banned the idiot from ever using their magazine for his warped and perverted views again. Oh yeah, I forgot…we are talking about the rc hierarchy again, so I guess it must be ok to support such garbage.

                          • MS says:

                            *So educated these priests, especially in psychology.  They even use reverse psychology to manipulate words and minds, a sort of psychosis, to defend their pedophilia mindset.  And the “Catholic League” is there to defend them.  How extensive/big is this “League”? This is no “little league”.  Big money, big lawyers, big guns.

                          • Anne C says:

                            It’s a good question. So disgusting that they used those hurtful – and wrong – comments as a mouthpiece for their editorial. Why didn’t the journalist challenge him on the spot – instead they print it word for word, without challenge.  Regardless of the state of mind of the monk, perhaps this really is the way the conversation normally goes amongst the RC heirarchy around the subject of child abuse, when others aren’t watching.  It gave us a glimpse.

                          • Leona says:

                            *Exactly, Anne! I’m so glad they printed the full interview. It’s unbelievable that this is the man these men went to for healing! This story goes well with the recanted statement that the bishop said ‘boys will be boys’!

                          • JG says:

                            *If the friar’s comments are as a result of the onset of dementia…we are hearing ”his ”truth without all the ”social fitters”…

                            This is his truth…his subconscious…his long term memory speaking. With almost 20 years experience in dealing with cognitive impairment in the elderly I have often(always!) witnessed the emergence of the ”real person”…

                            He won’t be doing too many interviews off the cuff in the future!! …and the church will see that he gets a ”filter”…or he will be ”labelled” to further protect the church!..

                            I just think that however inexcusable his comments are they simply are another ”gift” to help us understand ”their” way of thinking! It shouldn’t just be buried under an ”elderly” malfunction…

                            This is what he knows…and that is how he spelled it. 

                            jg

                          • JG says:

                            *…typo, second line, above…should read ”social filters”…

                            jg

                          • Mike Fitzgerald says:

                            J.G.
                                 Dementia or not, this man is still in an official capacity with the4 church, as I understand it.
                                 As I said before, is it any small wonder that the Church complains that it is under attack?     Mike.

                          • JG says:

                            *Mike,

                            I should have referred to Anne C.’s comment at 11:18am where she first brings up the ”personality” issue… I do not point to his possible condition (if there is)as an excuse but rather as a confirmation of his mind set …and of the church, of his teachings, his  ”counselling” of offenders…I am saying in a usual interview he would have kept that view to himself, he would have ”filtered” it out…knowing how offensive it is to those outside of his ”sphere”…

                          • Lina says:

                            *I remember watching and listening to Father Benedict Groeschel on EWTN years ago on TV. 

                            In my opinion, he’s showing his true colors in this interview and he just happened to express what he truly believes loud and clear on the subject of his brotherhood of priests/clergy.

                            This makes me wonder what secrets Fr. Benedict Groeschel is keeping in his head about SOME of the Roman Catholic clergy of the criminal kind? 

                            This high profile man…Fr. Benedict Groeschel surely showed beyond a shadow of a doubt what many clergy abuse victims are up against when dealing with the Roman Catholic Church.

                          • Mike Fitzgerald says:

                                Sorry J.G., I didn’t mean my comments to indicate to you that I disagreed. I agree 100% with you.
                                 Unfortunately, I was just venting my anger which I have difficulty at times controlling. Mike.

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