Ontario to introduce more explicit sex education in schools

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Premier Dalton McGuinty speaks during a news conference after the Auditor-General's report on Ontario's electronic health records agency at Queen's Park on October 7, 2009.

Premier Dalton McGuinty speaks during a news conference after the Auditor-General’s report on Ontario’s electronic health records agency at Queen’s Park on October 7, 2009. The Canadian Press

Conservative groups threaten boycott over plan to teach gender identity, sexual orientation

Toronto Globe and Mail

Apr. 21, 2010 7:34 AM EDT

Kate Hammer and Karen Howlett

The days of euphemisms and innuendo in Ontario’s classrooms are numbered, with the province set to roll out a new sex education curriculum next fall built on clear and explicit language that has raised objections from conservative parent groups.

The revision, outlined in 208 pages that were quietly posted on the Ministry of Education’s website in January, will for the first time teach Grade 3 pupils about such topics as sexual identity and orientation, and introduce terms like “anal intercourse” and “vaginal lubrication” to children in Grades 6 and 7. The new curriculum begins in Grade 1 with lessons about the proper names of body parts.

The changes came to light Tuesday, when members of a religious, “family-focused” coalition threatened to pull their children out of school on May 10 unless Premier Dalton McGuinty abandons the changes.

The Premier stood by the curriculum, saying he has confidence in the judgment of school principals and teachers to present the information in a thoughtful and responsible manner. If sex education is not taught in the classroom, he added, students could get information from potentially uninformed sources, such as their friends.

“If we can provide it in a format and in a venue over which we have some control … why wouldn’t we recognize that we live in an information age and why wouldn’t we try to present this information in a thoughtful and responsible and open way,” Mr. McGuinty said.

Critics said topics such as homosexuality are best left to parents to discuss with their children.

“I think it’s a sort of infringement on parents, because you’re talking about a very personal and sensitive area and dealing with kids so young I believe what it will end up infringing on their thought processes and their desires and ability to make correct choices,” said Reverend Ekron Malcolm, director of the Institute for Canadian Values, who is involved in the coalition.

Some of the most controversial changes are in the Grade 3 curriculum. In a discussion on human development and showing respect for people’s differences, for example, teachers are invited to discuss “invisible differences,” including gender identity and sexual orientation, in an effort to reflect the fact that more and more students have same-sex parents.

Christian right leader Charles McVety, who is also part of the coalition, said it is unconscionable to teach children as young as eight years old gender identity and sexual orientation. He accused the Premier of listening to “special interest groups with an agenda,” including former education minister Kathleen Wynne, who is openly gay.

The curriculum hadn’t been reviewed since 1998, and the changes reflect Ontario’s diverse society and have nothing to do with Ms. Wynne, who is now Transportation Minister, said Michelle Despault, a spokeswoman for Education Minister Lorna Dombrowsky.

“As a government, we have a commitment to provide a curriculum that is both equitable and inclusive,” she said.

A spokesman for Ms. Wynne said the minister will make no comment on the issue.

In another key change, the topic of puberty will be introduced in Grade 4, a year earlier than in the old curriculum, in recognition of the fact that many children reach puberty at younger ages. The description of physical changes is also more explicit in the new version, including the development of breasts and body hair.

All the changes are developmentally appropriate, and sex education doesn’t lead to sex, said Alex McKay, research co-ordinator for the Sex Information and Education Council of Canada.

“If anything, young people who are very well educated about sexuality and sexual health tend to actually delay having sex, because they fully understand everything that’s involved, biologically and psychologically,” he said.

There has always been a sting to the topic of birds and bees in the classroom. Sex education was first seriously considered in Ontario in the 1940s, fuelled in part by the spread of sexually transmitted infections during the Second World War. It wasn’t until 1966 that education officials drafted a Grade 9 course that introduced students to human reproduction.

Almost every change or revision since has drawn some objections.

In 2004, a parents group in Nova Scotia grew incensed after the province offered youth 12 years old and over a brightly coloured, spiral-bound notebook titled Sex? A Healthy Sexuality Resource.

When New Brunswick reviewed its sex education curriculum in 2005, parents called the course too explicit, pointing to references to homosexuality, orgasm and masturbation. The curriculum was adjusted slightly to place more emphasis on abstinence.

The new Ontario curriculum took two years to develop and involved input from principals and teachers in both the Roman Catholic and public school boards as well as parent groups and public health units in the province.

With research from Rick Cash

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Second Thoughts

  4/21/2010 2:21:49 PM

Oh, I love getting fan mail. I’m hitting a nerve.

Flooding our TV screens with explicit sexual material is being done deliberately to undermine our society, as moral decay has always preceded collapse. Read about the causes of the fall of Rome.

Dr. John Coleman (see him on youtube)warns us of the designs of such entities as the Tavistock Institute, with its deliberate program to destroy America. Read his book, “The Tavistock Institute of Human Relations: Shaping the Moral, Spiritual, Cultural and Political Decline of the United States of America”, available from Amazon. It will help wipe the sleep from your eyes.

Sexualizing young children is all part of this scheme. If you cannot see the harm, you need to wake up.

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oldgal67

  4/21/2010 2:11:50 PM

Second Thoughts writes: “I would consider any adult, even a parent, who describes the sex act to a very young child to be psychologically molesting him or her, at the very least, or committing psychological rape. A small child is not ready for this information. The innocence of childhood must be protected. Time enough for adult obsessions.”

You obviously haven’t been in a good bookshop recently. There are any number of beautifully written, carefully illustrated books designed to introduce quite young children to the parts of the human body including the sexual organs. Children discover their own bodily parts quite naturally and it is a simple matter to explain what those parts do and that parents possess similar, but larger, parts. It is a very natural and easy progression, especially if the child is given opportunities to see his/her parents unclothed, to extend that information, gradually, to include how the various bodily parts function. You’re “a parent, who describes the sex act’ is so many light years away from how this lesson is taught in open-minded, caring, sensible families that it is quite obvious no-one helped you along this path as a young child. Different children, naturally, react differently to these lessons – some are shyer, others are not – some take a keen interest, others seem not to be listening. Sensitive parents can, with a little effort, make the lessons so unalarming that the information is absorbed almost without the child knowing he/she has learned something of great importance, something onto which more advanced information, in small amounts, can easily be added later.

….and, finally, sex is not an obsession unless one suffers from some form of unfortunate perversion…it is a perfectly normal, natural, bodily function that can produce both off-spring and great pleasure. Looking at it in any other light is what leads to lap-dancing teachers and inordinate amounts of taxpayer dollars being spent on sex-ed in schools.

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Destruction​Preventer

  4/21/2010 1:59:51 PM

I contend small children are ready to learn about sex. Objectively, it’s not an offensive idea, but one they won’t fully understand. That said, prior learning will help them cope with it when it happens.

I learned about death when I was 6: I had no concept of it, and was afraid, but it helped me through my first dog’s death at 11 which I shudder to think how I would’ve handled otherwise.

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Canuckatron​

  4/21/2010 1:57:08 PM

Someone has mentioned the term “molestation”. I would consider any adult, even a parent, who describes the sex act to a very young child to be psychologically molesting him or her, at the very least, or committing psychological rape. A small child is not ready for this information.

The innocence of childhood must be protected. Time enough for adult obsessions.
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This post is so insane it strains credulity. Sex isn’t Trauma. A kid sees murder and mayhem on TV, in the news… but describing sex to him/her – even as a PARENT, as you say – is molestation? You are insane.

I think we need more Critical Thinking education than Sex Education in schools, if only to stamp out this unhealthy view of sex.

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GoldwinSmit​h

  4/21/2010 1:56:30 PM

It is wrong to indoctrinate Grade 3 children about “invisible differences” when many so called “invisible disabilities” like Learning Disabilities and ADHD have no medical or scientific basis.

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Second Thoughts

  4/21/2010 1:50:12 PM

Someone has mentioned the term “molestation”. I would consider any adult, even a parent, who describes the sex act to a very young child to be psychologically molesting him or her, at the very least, or committing psychological rape. A small child is not ready for this information.

The innocence of childhood must be protected. Time enough for adult obsessions.

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New World

  4/21/2010 1:49:41 PM

Second Thoughts: “I’ve just done a Google search. The World Health Organization IS promoting early sex education – the same people who tout fluoride and the swine flu vaccine.

Yup! They have kids’ best interests at heart. And nope! They have no intention of trying to control us.”

Um, just curious… are you one of those hooligans in New York who were crying bloody murder when the gov’t were trying to limit public salt consumption?

The gov’t was trying to crack down on inflating obesity rates, heart failure, high blood pressure, and other health problems shown through years of study to be at least a large part of the effects of too much salt intake into the body. They were doing this to relieve the health care system, not to mention to better and extend the lives of the general populace, but all the while, you hooligans were crying that they were trampling on your “@#$ RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS!!@#$” and that “We have the RIGHT to eat whatever we want, how ever much we want!!” Oh don’t forget the maniacal cries that should sound familiar to you – hooligan, “CONTROL!! The gov’t is trying to control us all!! How DARE they limit our salt intake! The gov’t has crossed the line, they’re trying to control our lives!”

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BlackAcre

  4/21/2010 1:39:50 PM

Would it be better if all parents took their responsibilities seriously and taught their children about sex before theire kids found out from their friends or on the internet? Sure, but it won’t happen. Wouldn’t it be great if all parents were qualified to teach their children properly about sex and sexual orientation? Absolutely, but they’re not. And wouldn’t we all like our kids to refrain from sexual activity until they were older? Very possibly, but it won’t happen.
As the parent of a 21, 18 and 17 year old, I think I live in the real world, and most of the posters here clearly do not.

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rawiseman

  4/21/2010 1:38:46 PM

How, other than in the comments section of newspapers, is ignorance ever acceptable. I want my children to know everything they can learn about their bodies, health, sexuality, etc. They don’t always want to listen to me, or talk with me about some issues, so YES, I want the schools to be teaching sex education and I believe they will do so in an appropriate way.

I mean come on folks, don’t think kids aren’t learning about sex. It isn’t adults that are ‘sexting'(sending sexually explicit text messages), using e-mail and phones to send explicit pictures, getting pregnant way too early and other behaviours that I am sure their parents are kept in the dark about.

This is a dangerous world for our youth in that early sex can lead to early disease, sometimes death. Let’s make sure they have the knowledge to take care of themselves. Or, you can bury your head in the sand or stand there with your fingers in your ears humming hymns and the children will suffer.

 
 

Canuckatron​

  4/21/2010 1:30:34 PM

RE:If we can consolidate bigotry and discrimination lessons in grade 1, we may have a seamless curriculum.
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We’d need Formal Logic and Critical Thinking courses in Kindergarten then.

 

  4/21/2010 1:28:34 PM

RE: I’ve just done a Google search. The World Health Organization IS promoting early sex education – the same people who tout fluoride and the swine flu vaccine.

Yup! They have kids’ best interests at heart. And nope! They have no intention of trying to control us.
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Correlation isn’t causation.
I did a Google search and discovered that some people think Lizard-Men are behind the WHO.

EVERYBODY PANIC! THE LIZARD-MEN WANT TO MOLEST YR KIDS!

 
   
 

Canuckatron​

  4/21/2010 1:25:03 PM

RE: Yes, made up by Pierre Trudeau, and completely unsustainable.
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Are you even trying to make sense?

 
   
 

oldgal67

  4/21/2010 1:23:59 PM

In the comments on lap-dancing teachers in today’s G&M – rrrachel writes: “….there should be more emphasis on sex-ed in school…. I learned diddly squat in my sex-ed class…… there’s no getting around teen sex…it just happens. They’re called hormones.”

My reply to Rachel’s comment points out where the blame for the sexual ignorance of today’s youngsters lies. We are wrong to spend tax dollars doing the jobs parents should be doing themselves.

Dear Rachel – if your parents are no longer alive and you have no grandparents, aunts or older sisters to care about you, then you are indeed very unfortunate and should stay behind after class to have a private talk with your sex-ed teacher or find some sensible female adult to answer the rest of your questions rather than resorting to the Net which will certainly mislead and confuse you. Responsible parents begin telling the facts of life to their children when they are about four or five, find reasons to update the talk from time to time and buy them their first condoms when they are in their early teens – in the case of sons, to make sure they don’t harm young girls like you. There is no reason all parents can’t do something along the same lines. The fact yours, and millions of others, apparently haven’t bothered to undertake this very important part of parenting, is their fault not the school’s and not the rest of society’s – there’s a lot more to having children than letting hormones run riot – and you should lay the blame where it properly lies. As for the teenage hormones, they’ve been around since the dawn of time. Would you like us to revert to the practices of the middle ages and marry you off at puberty, around 12 or 13, to some forty-year-old you’ve never before laid eyes on who will expect you to have a baby every eleven months until you drop? Rein it in, girl, as sensible youngsters have been doing forever and a day, tell the boys to back off and find yourself an absorbing hobby.

 
   
 

Destruction​Preventer

  4/21/2010 1:23:39 PM

4/21/2010 1:08:40 PM
I don’t object to sex education in Grade 3, provided kids are taught about social engineering and government agendas in Grade 2.

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If we can consolidate bigotry and discrimination lessons in grade 1, we may have a seamless curriculum.

 
   
 

Second Thoughts

  4/21/2010 1:20:24 PM

I’ve just done a Google search. The World Health Organization IS promoting early sex education – the same people who tout fluoride and the swine flu vaccine.

Yup! They have kids’ best interests at heart. And nope! They have no intention of trying to control us.

 
   
 

RandyV

  4/21/2010 1:19:19 PM

Canuckatron says “You people live in a made-up world.”

Yes, made up by Pierre Trudeau, and completely unsustainable.

 
   
 

Pincushion Man

  4/21/2010 1:11:34 PM

Considering that the kids are probably getting more and better sex than the pathetic losers who end up in the teaching profession, I wonder who should be teaching whom.

 
   
 

j c2

  4/21/2010 1:08:40 PM

I don’t object to sex education in Grade 3, provided kids are taught about social engineering and government agendas in Grade 2.

 
   
 

Canuckatron​

  4/21/2010 1:00:36 PM

RE: Ha, but our kids well come out of the education system well informed on sex but unable to read and write…
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I’m sure you meant “WILL come out of the system well-informed”.

By the way, sex ed and the three “Rs” aren’t mutually exclusive. You can have both sex ed and normal ed. Just thought I’d point out the obvious, since it seems to elude you.

 
   
 

Dav2

  4/21/2010 12:58:39 PM

The government should stay out of it and let kids learn about sex the old fashioned way, the way we all did… Though TV and dirty jokes

 
   
 

Canuckatron​

  4/21/2010 12:58:17 PM

RE: However this is just another way for the “progressives” to start their social-engineered brainwashing on younger children;
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You people live in a made-up world.

 
   
 

Brooks Yardley

  4/21/2010 12:58:03 PM

kudos

 
   
 

Canuckatron​

  4/21/2010 12:56:56 PM

RE: This is not being paranoid; it’s simply being intelligent. Whose IS this hidden hand? The World Health Organization?
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No, that is TEXTBOOK paranoia. In fact, asking rhetorical questions and answering them yourself is psychotic. Consult your doctor… unless THEY got to him/her too!

 
   
 

des1

  4/21/2010 12:56:06 PM

Oh please! Common sense, morality and principles have left this planet! The Ontario Gov. has gone too far. We need to put more focus on reading, writing and arithmetic….aren’t these the basics in an education at an elementary or middle school level, not vaginal lubrication and anal intercourse! there is a limit folks. Stand up and be hear!

Ha, but our kids well come out of the education system well informed on sex but unable to read and write…

 
   
 

Second Thoughts

  4/21/2010 12:50:57 PM

What I would like to know… who IS behind early sex education? It’s being imposed on schools all over North America, in Britain, in Europe and who-knows-where-else. When something is being introduced with such consistency EVERYWHERE, AT THE SAME TIME, with loud shouts from the media, one has to wonder if it’s all being orchestrated. One has every right to suspect a HIDDEN HAND.

This is not being paranoid; it’s simply being intelligent. Whose IS this hidden hand? The World Health Organization?

I think some of us should do a lot more research. Who is behind this and what is the agenda?
Are our politicos simply carrying the agenda out?

 
   
 

RandyV

  4/21/2010 12:49:44 PM

I’m all for sex ed with a balanced approach to natural sex and the family. However this is just another way for the “progressives” to start their social-engineered brainwashing on younger children; Do we stand by and let these teachers tell our children that their parents are wrong or “redneck” because they disagree with same-sex marriages and sodomy?

 
   
 

teja50

  4/21/2010 12:42:43 PM

Wow. Ignorance is bliss vs. Knowledge is power.

 
   
 

yuknon

  4/21/2010 12:41:36 PM

I agree with these changes as long as they also clearly teach the students that your parents NO LONGER have sex anymore. EWWWWWW GROSSSSSS

 
   
 

Don Adams, the Centrist 🙂

  4/21/2010 12:37:48 PM

My Canada Includes_Tim Hortons 4/21/2010 12:13:41 PM
Don Adams – I don’t have to “have at you”. I’ll let the Big Guy take care of that when you get a chance to chat with Him face to face.

cheers.

Not a prob, we’ll meet and have a beer instead of a Tim Hortons! 🙂

 
   
 

A Bitter Canada from no-quebec

  4/21/2010 12:33:01 PM

Gee, teenagers are far more educated than we were back in the seventies… when girls were stuck up and guys could only dream of jerking off. Today they’re having “blow job contests” at ages as low as twelve! I wish i was born 30 years later… 😉

 
   
 

blacklocus

  4/21/2010 12:31:53 PM

The idea of allowing people to opt out is ridiculous. Should we allow people to opt out of public education, out out of learning at least one language if they have the potential.

Too many people try to opt out of learning, opt out of using their brain. While we may permit this we can’t permit them to dictate opting out for minors or others in society.

Minors need a base in which they can make intelligent decisions. While this should also apply to adults, we can tolerate in a democrat society a right of adults to be ignorant.

Children on the other hand we must protect and allow their right to knowledge and empower them to reason and make rational informed decisions.

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A Bitter Canada from no-quebec

  4/21/2010 12:27:31 PM

Gee, Ontario will soon become a province with no morals and no ethics, blah blah blah…

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Babbleon

  4/21/2010 12:25:02 PM

Oh yes, one last item…. I believe ALL churches, mosques, temples etc should pay the same taxes business and individuals pay.
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you might as well add the death penalty and no abortions while you’re at it
FAT CHANCE!

 
   
 

dichotomous​

  4/21/2010 12:24:28 PM

Kudos to Don Adams. Anyone who has walked by a school yard can hear the sexual epithets students hurl at each other, without even understanding the meaning of the words. We got 2 periods of sex ed when I was in grade 7 (that was in the ’70s) – what a joke. The teacher was clearly uncomfortable and we all kept snickering because we already KNEW what he was telling us. Better to learn it from an educator than the internet, or pages of Playboy…

 
   
 

blacklocus

  4/21/2010 12:24:11 PM

It is about time that meaningful health and sex education was taught in formal setting. Too many in society are totally misinformed and mentally challenged when it come to sex education. 50% of parents are incapable of providing sex education to members of their family whether they be six or sixty.

Sex is a normal body and hormonal function like urinating or a bowel movement and we need to know our bodies, our hormonal appetites and orientation.

To be informed properly is a necessary step towards maturity.

 
   
 

oh’really

  4/21/2010 12:19:37 PM

For crying out loud, it is sex education not a ticket to a lap dance and a bottle of WD40 (or whatever the ‘motion facilitator’ of choice would be). People should be given the chance to opt out but isn’t it better that the kids all have the same information rather than getting tall tales from each other? Plus, does sex really sound that appealing when explained so clinically?

 
   
 

Canuckatron​

  4/21/2010 12:16:56 PM

RE: I do not believe the instigators of this program have the health and well-being of our children in mind. They are trying to usurp the role of parents and assume ever more control of our lives.
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It must be terrible to have persecution complex so powerful that you see education as an attempt to control. That’s like seeing eating as an attempt to starve.
Sex Ed is about the real world, the one our kids have to live in… not some made-up world based on a book of fairy tales. Tell your kids whatever you want… you can still take them out of Sex Ed… but to say this is some attempt to control your life shows us all what little control you have of yours. SAD.

 
   
 

My Canada Includes_Tim Hortons

  4/21/2010 12:13:41 PM

Don Adams – I don’t have to “have at you”. I’ll let the Big Guy take care of that when you get a chance to chat with Him face to face.

cheers.

 
   
 

Second Thoughts

  4/21/2010 12:07:20 PM

Morality is learned, but it is also instinctive, as we humans (hard to believe sometimes) are a moral species. Sexual relations have always been a moral issue, because there are consequences that can hurt so many others – our spouses, our children.

Societies over the millennia have developed all sorts of rules around this to protect the well-being of all their members, particularly the most vulnerable. We discard these rules at our peril.

To offer a clinical explanation of sex empty of moral content, to reduce it to a mere biological act, is to destroy what is both learned and instinctive in us. It’s an assault on values and the moral underpinnings of our society. Who knows what future harm this will cause?

I do not believe the instigators of this program have the health and well-being of our children in mind. They are trying to usurp the role of parents and assume ever more control of our lives.

 
   
 

Don Adams, the Centrist 🙂

  4/21/2010 12:05:08 PM

A lot of posters here consider me to be hard right wing. Well, think again!

There must be an election coming up, because McGuinty is FINALLY doing something right!

McVeety et al in the coalition…. take your hard right religionist views and stick them!

Kids need to know the facts, not the “sh!t” as put out by you guys!

Grade 3 too young? Nonsense! At that age, kids minds are still open to learning…so now, they’ll get the religious crap learned at home and in the churches their parents force them to attend, BUT, they’ll also be learning facts, and the truth, about sexuality in the schools. One will balance off the other, leaving the kids in a far better position to make their own choices further down the road of life.

AND, while I’m on the topic, we should do away with ALL religious schools, have one public school system, allow private schools but they must teach the exact same criteria as the public schools. Part of this criteria should be comparative religion studies, starting in grade 3, comparing all the religions of the world, exposing children to a variety of beliefs and practices.

Again, this will prepare them for down the road, where they can make their own choices.

Oh yes, one last item…. I believe ALL churches, mosques, temples etc should pay the same taxes business and individuals pay.

OK righty religionists…have at me! 🙂

 

 
   
 

Eric_N1

  4/21/2010 12:04:19 PM

When did the church log in. LOL ????

 
   
 

nucksin7

  4/21/2010 12:00:37 PM

While they’re at why not teach kids how to roll a proper joint. Otherwise they’ll just experiment and experiment until they get it right.

 
   
 

Eric_N1

  4/21/2010 11:59:52 AM

We will have to get some Europeans over here to teach this as its obvious we have no clue ???????????

 
   
 

BSimmons1

  4/21/2010 11:57:28 AM

In reading the comments (and the tone) of many of those here who are opposed to this plan, it frightens me that they believe themselves qualified to be parents at all.
It goes without saying that the most vociferous and outraged in their demands that sex ed be left to the parents are exactly those who will NEVER have that conversation with their offspring, no matter at any age.

 
   
 

former poster

  4/21/2010 11:55:37 AM

LOL thumbs down for suggesting this is best left up to parents? now I know Ontario is turning into a socialist paradise.

 
   
 

SueCity

  4/21/2010 11:53:48 AM

The earlier kids are exposed to sex, the more accepting they are that it is natural part of life, in all its healthy forms. Why not be open and honest about something so fundamental? If it’s not openly discussed it’s stigmatized as inappropriate and, frankly, that only piques curiosity.

 
   
 

Eric_N1

  4/21/2010 11:52:57 AM

Grade 3 ?????? Have these people completely lost their minds !!! Drug test them all.

 
   
 

New World

  4/21/2010 11:51:56 AM

NewWorldOrd​erNow1: In response to New World..

“Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened.”

– Winston Churchill

This quite rightly summarizes your ‘movement’. Quite frankly, the truth is that we can all b!tch about this new legislation all we want, but the gov’t doesn’t care about or read for that matter, this forum. Another truth is, no matter how political figures climb to power – hardwork, connections, luck – they ALL have academic degrees. The days have long past thankfully since Farmer Joe pulls out the Excaliber from a rock and becomes king. The cold hard truth is, ‘most’ of the uneducated working class are sheep to the shepherds(wolves) of society. They are too busy working to survive to do anything about it, and on their free time their religion even dictates their place as sheep.

The truth hurts, even for me because I’m not aiming to be a politician. We will live our lives following someone else’s rules. Deal with it.

Want another “truth” while we’re at it? Freedom and rights is impossible because every individual’s perception of “freedom” and their entitled rights from it are all subjectively different.

 
   
 

NewWorldOrd​erNow1

  4/21/2010 11:37:12 AM

“The test of the morality of a society is what it does for its children.”
– Dietrich Bonhoeffer (1906-1945)

 

 
   
 

Eric_N1

  4/21/2010 11:59:52 AM

We will have to get some Europeans over here to teach this as its obvious we have no clue ???????????

 
   
 

BSimmons1

  4/21/2010 11:57:28 AM

In reading the comments (and the tone) of many of those here who are opposed to this plan, it frightens me that they believe themselves qualified to be parents at all.
It goes without saying that the most vociferous and outraged in their demands that sex ed be left to the parents are exactly those who will NEVER have that conversation with their offspring, no matter at any age.

 
   
 

former poster

  4/21/2010 11:55:37 AM

LOL thumbs down for suggesting this is best left up to parents? now I know Ontario is turning into a socialist paradise.

 
   
 

SueCity

  4/21/2010 11:53:48 AM

The earlier kids are exposed to sex, the more accepting they are that it is natural part of life, in all its healthy forms. Why not be open and honest about something so fundamental? If it’s not openly discussed it’s stigmatized as inappropriate and, frankly, that only piques curiosity.

 
   
 

Eric_N1

  4/21/2010 11:52:57 AM

Grade 3 ?????? Have these people completely lost their minds !!! Drug test them all.

 
   
 

New World

  4/21/2010 11:51:56 AM

NewWorldOrd​erNow1: In response to New World..

“Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened.”

– Winston Churchill

This quite rightly summarizes your ‘movement’. Quite frankly, the truth is that we can all b!tch about this new legislation all we want, but the gov’t doesn’t care about or read for that matter, this forum. Another truth is, no matter how political figures climb to power – hardwork, connections, luck – they ALL have academic degrees. The days have long past thankfully since Farmer Joe pulls out the Excaliber from a rock and becomes king. The cold hard truth is, ‘most’ of the uneducated working class are sheep to the shepherds(wolves) of society. They are too busy working to survive to do anything about it, and on their free time their religion even dictates their place as sheep.

The truth hurts, even for me because I’m not aiming to be a politician. We will live our lives following someone else’s rules. Deal with it.

Want another “truth” while we’re at it? Freedom and rights is impossible because every individual’s perception of “freedom” and their entitled rights from it are all subjectively different.

 
   
 

NewWorldOrd​erNow1

  4/21/2010 11:37:12 AM

“The test of the morality of a society is what it does for its children.”
– Dietrich Bonhoeffer (1906-1945)

 
   
 

NewWorldOrd​erNow1

  4/21/2010 11:29:27 AM

In response to New World..

“Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing ever happened.”

– Winston Churchill

 
   
 

Second Thoughts

  4/21/2010 11:27:56 AM

Will we be forbidden to orient our children towards heterosexuality? Will we be forbidden to warn them of the ravages of promiscuity, of certain sexual practices?

Through our “hate speech” laws, we are rapidly approaching this. Wait till children are taught to report on their parents’ attitudes.

Big Brother will be spying, and our children will be informants. This is the frightening scenario facing us.

 
   
 

New World

  4/21/2010 11:24:48 AM

falo: “This whole sex ed thing should be OPTIONAL!”

Right… just like certain science classes are OPTIONAL in Alberta right? What’s next? Education is OPTIONAL??? Learn what you like, and if you don’t like it, it’s OPTIONAL?? Ridiculous.

NewWorldOrder1: RE: Educated Fool Poem

That was about the most ignorant piece of “literature” I have ever read in my life. Unfortunately, many people, mostly people of southern USA, share your views.

It is very sad how it has become more and more apparent through media outlets that there is a new wave of anti-education amongst people. There is a new mistrust and resentment towards “the educated ones”, the “academics”. Your “beautiful” poem equates education to simple memorization of useless facts (apparently knowing the alphabet is useless too). It implies that education narrows one’s mind and causes one to be blind to the “fact” that their “liberties and freedoms” are being taken away. Right… Your poem was so “beautiful” I am utterly speechless.

So what does that mean oh-fearless-leader? That we must now rely on you – the UNeducated folk, the truly righteous and enlightened people – to defend our rights and freedoms?

I would rather die… I enjoy memorizing my useless alphabet because it allows me to convey my useless thoughts and feelings on this forum – programmed and presented by useless people who memorized even more useless coding.

I would have my children learn from professionals, whose curriculum was created by useless academics and researchers who spend years and years keeping all of our useless knowledge in the school system up to date and par.

A lot of the complainers probably have children who are like me – “I’m going to the library to study for my upcoming exam mom, so don’t worry, no I won’t be home for dinner, too much to read.” (Truth – I’m going to the bar for a few drinks and if i’m lucky I’ll have a girl in my arms by the end of the night.)

 
   
 

New World

  4/21/2010 11:24:48 AM

falo: “This whole sex ed thing should be OPTIONAL!”

Right… just like certain science classes are OPTIONAL in Alberta right? What’s next? Education is OPTIONAL??? Learn what you like, and if you don’t like it, it’s OPTIONAL?? Ridiculous.

NewWorldOrder1: RE: Educated Fool Poem

That was about the most ignorant piece of “literature” I have ever read in my life. Unfortunately, many people, mostly people of southern USA, share your views.

It is very sad how it has become more and more apparent through media outlets that there is a new wave of anti-education amongst people. There is a new mistrust and resentment towards “the educated ones”, the “academics”. Your “beautiful” poem equates education to simple memorization of useless facts (apparently knowing the alphabet is useless too). It implies that education narrows one’s mind and causes one to be blind to the “fact” that their “liberties and freedoms” are being taken away. Right… Your poem was so “beautiful” I am utterly speechless.

So what does that mean oh-fearless-leader? That we must now rely on you – the UNeducated folk, the truly righteous and enlightened people – to defend our rights and freedoms?

I would rather die… I enjoy memorizing my useless alphabet because it allows me to convey my useless thoughts and feelings on this forum – programmed and presented by useless people who memorized even more useless coding.

I would have my children learn from professionals, whose curriculum was created by useless academics and researchers who spend years and years keeping all of our useless knowledge in the school system up to date and par.

A lot of the complainers probably have children who are like me – “I’m going to the library to study for my upcoming exam mom, so don’t worry, no I won’t be home for dinner, too much to read.” (Truth – I’m going to the bar for a few drinks and if i’m lucky I’ll have a girl in my arms by the end of the night.)

 
   
 

former poster

  4/21/2010 11:22:04 AM

This should be optional. Parents must draw a line and demand that some things are best taught by mother and father, not some state-paid employee.

 
   
 

NewWorldOrd​erNow1

  4/21/2010 11:21:13 AM

A ruling group is a ruling group so long as it can nominate its successors. The Party is not concerned with perpetuating its blood but with perpetuating itself. Who wields power is not
important provided the hierarchial structure remains always the same.
– George Orwell 1984

Sex education is part of this plan…

 
   
 

Kari Kouture

  4/21/2010 11:11:04 AM

Sex is a normal, natural part of life. It is also normal for kids to be curious about the differences between boys and girls and to wonder where babies come from. If you think 8/9 year olds don’t know what a penis or a vagina is, as well as a few colloquial terms for body parts, you don’t spend enough time listening to them.
Having kids in this age group, I don’t see anything inappropriate in the proposed curriculum. I do recall that in one of the later grades, I received a note from the school advising they would be covering topics including intercourse in the following day’s health class. Parents who wished to keep their children out of the class needed only to sign the form back to the school.
There are a lot of biological facts relating to development and sex that kids need to know. We don’t pull them out of school when they’re studing the excretory system, why would we do so for reproduction?

 
   
 

Babbleon

  4/21/2010 11:08:37 AM

Destruction​Preventer

4/21/2010 11:01:53 AM
@Babbleon

Of course people will say you’re hateful and prejudiced. Telling people they aren’t normal is not caring and inclusive.
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tell the parents that you are going to teach their children about homosexuality and you will find out how caring and inclusive people are

 
   
 

VeggieUrban​Mum

  4/21/2010 11:06:26 AM

This is just another example of society playing to the lowest common denominator. At age 8 – the “invisible differences” should be more than understood and normalized. To have the school system get into this is totally bizarre. But because some families don’t communicate with their children, the rest of us have to get dragged through this and promote sexual concepts to young children. I’m sorry but I am not aware of any good news stories associated with youth sexual promiscuity and from what I understand some middle schools have some serious issues – so early education is not going to remedy this – solid parenting/family time, communication and kids who are busy with studies and activities will be more effective in addressing these issues. An idle child with no parental guidance and internet access is a recipe for disaster. The schools do no individual assessment of children’s social/sexual risk and ignorance. If it was more personalized then I might think this was ok – but to blanket the masses – I think is a real lazy and uncreative way to resolve whatever the root cause is driving this proposal. I’m not advocating ignorance but I just don’t think that the school system needs (or can capably) to inject itself into this issue. As other readers have stated – how about focusing on the fundamentals (like making sure that kids can read and do math) and for the few kids that seem to have issues/questions – let’s deal w/ them in some other way (they can go visit the Resource Sex Ed teacher – privately and in a targeted/meaningful manner). If the schools really want to add value, they should consider teaching kids about healthy eating habits and exercise. Then when they are older, more mature and responsible, they will have much more stamina for shagging!!

 
   
 

Second Thoughts

  4/21/2010 11:03:59 AM

“The prophets of the sexual revolution wished to empty the relationship between the sexes of all moral significance and to destroy the customs and institutions that governed it. They sought to liberate sexual relations from all but the merest biological content. Such relations were not to be subject to restrictive bourgeois contractual arrangements or sacraments such as marriage; no social stigma was to attach to any sexual conduct that had hitherto been regarded as reprehensible. The only criterion governing the acceptability of sexual relations was the mutual consent of those entering upon them; no thought of duty to others (one’s own children, for example) was to get in the way of fulfillment of desire.”

Theodore Dalrymple, “Life at the Bottom”. Dalrymple, an author and BBC producer, uses his experience as a physician in British slums and prisons to write books and articles on the destruction of British society.

 
   
 

Destruction​Preventer

  4/21/2010 11:01:53 AM

@Babbleon

Of course people will say you’re hateful and prejudiced. Telling people they aren’t normal is not caring and inclusive.

 
   
 

Sean Mattingly

  4/21/2010 11:01:44 AM

Amazing

The secularists think they have the answers. They think that our shrinking birth rate is simply a statistic which has little affect on anything. They’re wrong.

A few days ago the Globe ran a passionate article about talented, motivated young teachers, who want to work but are unable to find employment. Why? because of a massive decline in enrollment. Since 2002 Ontario has lost over 100 000 students due to low birth rate. And the trend will continue for many many years.

So how did we get to this point? Well there is a strong correlation between urban communities having far fewer children than rural communities. But that alone doesn’t explain the total picture. There is a very strong correlation between number of years spent in school and fertility. For example, in Italy, most youngsters follow the formula-get educated to the max, get married then start a family. Italy has a natural rate of fertility of 1.1 children per female, which means for every generation the population is cut in half.

When the state has virtual control over the socialization of it’s young, we get massive numbers of youngsters who follow the plan. But what if the plan ultimately proves to be deleterious to the longevity and well being of the society? We need to debate this.

Some world communities have caught on to this and now deliver public education in a variety of ways. This results in diversity, and perhaps a better chance to make highly informed decisions based upon strong data. But in McGuinty land,where we put all our eggs in one basket, such options really don’t exist.

The argument about sex ed in grade three or even JK, isn’t the main issue. The main issue is providing parents with greater control over how their children are educated and influenced.

 
   
 

WinniMiss

  4/21/2010 11:00:20 AM

Question: who will teach this& Our teachers are already over-burdened by a super-charged curriculum, having to deliver it to 20-30 children of varied backgrounds and at very different levels of learning, with multiple learning abilities and disabilities within the same classroom, often with little or no parental support (and more and more parental criticism), to kids who have less and less discipline, and all this within a very short school day and year.

Just keep loading up the teachers and hope there will be enough of them remaining after many leave disillusioned or broken.

 
   
 

Babbleon

  4/21/2010 10:59:20 AM

BillyAlexan​der

4/21/2010 10:08:31 AM
Babbleon

i said homosexuality is not normal and my comment was deleted
__________________________________________________

Yes, because how someone else lives their life is none of your damned business…
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of course it’s their life and they are free to live the way they want
but i don’t agree with it and it’s my right to express it
i am not hateful nor prejudiced but most libs will say i am no surprise there

 
   
 

BillyAlexan​der

  4/21/2010 10:57:35 AM

Pepper14

I personally think it is up to parents to educate their kids on sex ed. I think teachers put too much of their own slant on these issues which will cause conflict especially for a grade 3 child. When will this end? Gov’t running our lives to this extent.
___________________________________________________

Really? Is this enough of a “slant” for ya?

My cousin “found jesus” some time ago and told her kids that homosexuals are evil, premarital sex will cause birth defects, masterbation leads to blindness, condoms have a 90% failure rating and STDs are only a concern for prostitutes and drug users.

I’m not making this up. My cousin doesn’t read the paper or watch TV – all “relevant” info in her life comes from the Bible or members of her church (who are all equally as crazy as her).

Fortunately her kids were in their teens and at that point and figured out that their mother was nuts; so they came to me and I got information from the local health unit. And I pointed out that my neighbours, who have always been very kind to my nephews, are very much gay.

Yes – too much govn’t interference in the lives of truly stupid people can be a dangerous thing…

 
   
 

Ry_M

  4/21/2010 10:55:13 AM

that perfectly sums it up i do not know why liberals feel a need for governments to run their life

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Solely to validate their beliefs, because even they know they are wrong… but as long as everyone agrees (or forced to agree if neessary), they believe they will gain some sort of satisifaction from being “validated” of their “intellectual superiority”.

They have a need to project their beliefs. It is because they are wrong.

 
   
 

falo

  4/21/2010 10:53:37 AM

This whole sex ed thing should be OPTIONAL!

Some parents wants their kids taught this stuff while others have very strong beliefs against it.

If it is forced on everyone, then this is infringing on people’s rights, religious beliefs, and values.

And yes some should keep their children out of school on those days

 
   
 

Jellofuel

  4/21/2010 10:53:22 AM

Of course teachers put their own twists on the curiculum. My buddy’s kids can’t even do a research report on a Conservative PM: they were told they’d fail the class if they did.

So in a nutshell, here’s Canadian history as our teachers illustrate it: the Confederation of Canada occurred, despite Conservative resistance. Since Confederation, every Liberal PM has been a shining beacon of superior morality and fiscal responsibility, which is contrasted against the recklessness and stone-age ideologies of the EVIL Conservatives. The end. Excuse me while I puke.

 
   
 

Babbleon

  4/21/2010 10:49:10 AM
Keynesnot

4/21/2010 10:36:30 AM
The Ontario Government might, more effectively direct it’s zeal , towards raising academic standards , and getting rid of sub standard teachers. Leave sex education to parents, where it belongs.
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that perfectly sums it up i do not know why liberals feel a need for governments to run their life

 
   
 

Canuckatron​

  4/21/2010 10:46:58 AM

RE: NOOOOO! We need the GOVERNMENT to teach us how to use guns safely!
* * *

Um, we do.
That’s what gun safety courses are, and hunting licenses require them… both of which are run by the province.

 
   
 

NewWorldOrd​erNow1

  4/21/2010 10:46:33 AM

Protocols

The basic premise of the protocols is that the end justifies the means. Here is a short summary:

* Place our agents and helpers everywhere
* Destroy the family unit
* Take control of the media and use it in propaganda for our plans
* Start fights between different races, classes and religions
* Use bribery, threats and blackmail to get our way
* Use Freemasonic Lodges to attract potential public officials
* Appeal to successful people’s egos
* Appoint puppet leaders who can be controlled by blackmail
* Replace royal rule with socialist rule, then communism, then despotism
* Abolish all rights and freedoms, except the right of force by us
* Sacrifice people (including Jews sometimes) when necessary
* Eliminate religion; replace it with science and materialism
* Control the education system to spread deception and destroy intellect
* Rewrite history to our benefit
* Create entertaining distractions
* Corrupt minds with filth and perversion
* Encourage people to spy on one another
* Keep the masses in poverty and perpetual labor
* Take possession of all wealth, property and (especially) gold
* Use gold to manipulate the markets, cause depressions etc.
* Introduce a progressive tax on wealth
* Replace sound investment with speculation
* Make long-term interest-bearing loans to governments
* Give bad advice to governments and everyone else

 
   
 

Pepper14

  4/21/2010 10:41:25 AM

I personally think it is up to parents to educate their kids on sex ed. I think teachers put too much of their own slant on these issues which will cause conflict especially for a grade 3 child. When will this end? Gov’t running our lives to this extent.

 
   
 

B_M3

  4/21/2010 10:38:47 AM

It’s good to see the social conservatives come out of the wood work to argue against educating thier children…

 

 
   
 

Canuckatron​

  4/21/2010 10:36:31 AM

You people have every right to cripple your child by refusing them to be sexually educated. You can pull them out of that class, while the rest are improved by knowledge… all this ballyhoo about McG telling you what to do is nonsense. He is not able to keep you from turning your child into a fearful, ignorant theocrat, so rest easy.

 
   
 

Keynesnot

  4/21/2010 10:36:30 AM

The Ontario Government might, more effectively direct it’s zeal , towards raising academic standards , and getting rid of sub standard teachers. Leave sex education to parents, where it belongs.

 
   
 

Lgirl25

  4/21/2010 10:34:08 AM

“Christian right leader Charles McVety, who is also part of the coalition, said it is unconscionable to teach children as young as eight years old gender identity and sexual orientation.”

The problem with this comment is that children ARE learning about homosexuality, at ages even younger than eight years old. It may not be taught directly by parents, but when parents say hateful or derogatory comments towards homosexuality, kids learn that. I think it’s great that they’re going to teach it in schools; it means these kids actually have a chance to develop a different perception and question their parents. Hatred has no place in Canadian society.

 
   
 

Jellofuel

  4/21/2010 10:33:59 AM

“I teach my kids both.”

NOOOOO! We need the GOVERNMENT to teach us how to use guns safely!

Isn’t it great to have the freedom to teach your kids about life’s little perks?

 
   
 

con hack PM down in flames

  4/21/2010 10:33:58 AM

The bible is a book. It’s a good book. But it is not the only book.

 
   
 

scamper22

  4/21/2010 10:33:16 AM

Just give us school choice and you can do what you want in the public system. Fund the student, not the teacher’s unions.

But I know that is too much to ask. BC has school choice. Alberta has school choice. They’re not collapsing. People in Ontario however… just seem brainwashed into thinking the teacher unions and education bureaucracy are their only option.

 
   
 

Canuckatron​

  4/21/2010 10:33:02 AM

RE: I prefer to spend as little time as possible speaking with the ignorant.
* * *
So that’s why you came onto a public forum, to announce loudly that you refuse to argue?

You got nothin’.

 
   
 

jabberllama​

  4/21/2010 10:32:05 AM

I’d like to point out I think McGuinty is a tool. I can’t stand him, I’ve hated him for years, and I want him gone, so don’t group me as a liberal. I’m just saying what I know.

Also, I think it’s highly unnecessary to teach ‘anal intercourse’ in elementary school… It’s not like you need it for reproduction.

 
   
 

the eibs

  4/21/2010 10:31:35 AM

Let’s keep in mind that the righteous folks making the biggest stink believe that some guy who was pinned to a cross some 2000+ yrs ago is gonna come back and save them, while the rest of rot…hmmm…I’m sorry, and they were saying…

 
   
 

Canuckatron​

  4/21/2010 10:31:26 AM

RE: I also see that the Liberal trained seals are out in full force rushing to defend the “brillance” of their Dear Leader while Ontario blindly marches towards irrepairable decline.

* * *

Nobody said anything about anyone’s “brilliance” except you. In fact, I noticed you said nothing about the topic at hand. Just farting nonsense in a crowded room… fun for a twelve-year-old I guess, but adults are talking here.

 
 

Lgirl25

  4/21/2010 10:34:08 AM

“Christian right leader Charles McVety, who is also part of the coalition, said it is unconscionable to teach children as young as eight years old gender identity and sexual orientation.”

The problem with this comment is that children ARE learning about homosexuality, at ages even younger than eight years old. It may not be taught directly by parents, but when parents say hateful or derogatory comments towards homosexuality, kids learn that. I think it’s great that they’re going to teach it in schools; it means these kids actually have a chance to develop a different perception and question their parents. Hatred has no place in Canadian society.

 
   
 

Jellofuel

  4/21/2010 10:33:59 AM

“I teach my kids both.”

NOOOOO! We need the GOVERNMENT to teach us how to use guns safely!

Isn’t it great to have the freedom to teach your kids about life’s little perks?

 
   
 

con hack PM down in flames

  4/21/2010 10:33:58 AM

The bible is a book. It’s a good book. But it is not the only book.

 
   
 

scamper22

  4/21/2010 10:33:16 AM

Just give us school choice and you can do what you want in the public system. Fund the student, not the teacher’s unions.

But I know that is too much to ask. BC has school choice. Alberta has school choice. They’re not collapsing. People in Ontario however… just seem brainwashed into thinking the teacher unions and education bureaucracy are their only option.

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Canuckatron​

  4/21/2010 10:33:02 AM

RE: I prefer to spend as little time as possible speaking with the ignorant.
* * *
So that’s why you came onto a public forum, to announce loudly that you refuse to argue?

You got nothin’.

 
   
 

jabberllama​

  4/21/2010 10:32:05 AM

I’d like to point out I think McGuinty is a tool. I can’t stand him, I’ve hated him for years, and I want him gone, so don’t group me as a liberal. I’m just saying what I know.

Also, I think it’s highly unnecessary to teach ‘anal intercourse’ in elementary school… It’s not like you need it for reproduction.

 
   
 

the eibs

  4/21/2010 10:31:35 AM

Let’s keep in mind that the righteous folks making the biggest stink believe that some guy who was pinned to a cross some 2000+ yrs ago is gonna come back and save them, while the rest of rot…hmmm…I’m sorry, and they were saying…

 
   
 

Canuckatron​

  4/21/2010 10:31:26 AM

RE: I also see that the Liberal trained seals are out in full force rushing to defend the “brillance” of their Dear Leader while Ontario blindly marches towards irrepairable decline.

* * *

Nobody said anything about anyone’s “brilliance” except you. In fact, I noticed you said nothing about the topic at hand. Just farting nonsense in a crowded room… fun for a twelve-year-old I guess, but adults are talking here.

 
   
 

Ry_M

  4/21/2010 10:31:21 AM

RE: I’m done with invalidating points or validating them. I’m on freedom’s side now and to hell with liberal ideology.

* * *

In other words you’re done with logic and sense, and you embrace ignorant, spiteful, childish rage. Understood.

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No, I can certainly defend my points but I’d rather not spend the time explaining the virture of having values. Partly because it’s up to each and every individual to choose to have values. If you choose not to, that is your choice.

I prefer to spend as little time as possible speaking with the ignorant.

 
   
 

BonneyLass

  4/21/2010 10:28:30 AM

And what brave new world exactly are we preparing our kids for? Just what is heavens name gives the state the right to determine on my behalf and the behalf of my child when that child is ready for sexual information. As the parent that is my domain. McGinty, get the hell out of my house.

 
 

BonneyLass

  4/21/2010 10:28:30 AM

And what brave new world exactly are we preparing our kids for? Just what is heavens name gives the state the right to determine on my behalf and the behalf of my child when that child is ready for sexual information. As the parent that is my domain. McGinty, get the hell out of my house.

 
   
 

Jack Canuck

  4/21/2010 10:27:23 AM

BillyAlexander writes: “I see the crackpots are out in full force.”

Yes, you certainly are.

I also see that the Liberal trained seals are out in full force rushing to defend the “brillance” of their Dear Leader while Ontario blindly marches towards irrepairable decline.

How about more important issues? – high deficits/debt, healthcare, education, energy…to name a few. How is the “Sex Education” Premier intending to deal with these issues apart from continually increasing taxes?

Oh, I forgot. This requires compentent leadership, something Ontario lacks.

This is still a stupid idea.

 
   
 

Canuckatron​

  4/21/2010 10:26:18 AM

RE: I’m done with invalidating points or validating them. I’m on freedom’s side now and to hell with liberal ideology.

* * *

In other words you’re done with logic and sense, and you embrace ignorant, spiteful, childish rage. Understood.

 
   
 

ottawa-G

  4/21/2010 10:23:53 AM

opponents of this reform, please tell me what exactly is wrong? are you afraid you kids will become homosexuals because it’s contagious as science confirmed it for you? or because at grade 3 they will start applying those newly acquired skills in real life?

this reform doesnt suggest it will teach kids ‘the wrong things’ rather they insist on ‘respectful and informed classes – facts based’.

and of course it is up to parents to educate their kids: to foster family’s traditions and beleifs. Ontario government by law cannot take this right away. but it can introduce sex ed classes in public schools to make sure real life issues are not the last thing kids learn after years of theory courses.

 
   
 

Canuckatron​

  4/21/2010 10:22:21 AM

RE: Ok libs, let’s make a deal: you teach your kids it’s okay to be gay, we’ll teach our kids to use guns. Kapeesh?

* * *

I teach my kids both.

 
   
 

W.E. Demers

  4/21/2010 10:22:10 AM

This was always the goal of socialism. The government replaces the family.

 
   
 

Canuckatron​

  4/21/2010 10:21:27 AM

You gibbering idiots really see no difference between EDUCATION and CHILD MOLESTATION? Your kids must be reel smrt.

 
   
 

Jellofuel

  4/21/2010 10:21:10 AM

Ok libs, let’s make a deal: you teach your kids it’s okay to be gay, we’ll teach our kids to use guns. Kapeesh?

 
   
 

KevinL

  4/21/2010 10:21:00 AM

This is good news for the lap-dancing teachers from Winnipeg. While they may have trouble finding teaching jobs in Manitoba after all that publicity, they can look for work in Ontario now, having proven their qualifications as “explicit sex ed” teachers!

 
   
 

jabberllama​

  4/21/2010 10:20:10 AM

My 8-year-old sister is in Grade 2, and she’s wearing bras and having to shave her armpits. I wouldn’t be surprised if she got her period by the end of the year (same age as my mother; for the record, I got mine when I was 12, almost into high school), which means she would be pubescent by the time she started learning this in her public school.

I went to a Catholic school and we started learning sex ed in Grade 5. My best friend’s younger sister attends the same elementary I did, and she had an issue last year where a boy wouldn’t stop touching her vagina. She was in Grade 4. Most sexual curiosities begin around that age, and most activities start in Grade 7.
In Grade 8, one of my friends asked our Roman Catholic priest how gay men had sex, and he answered it quite scientifically (this didn’t cease the shock upon hearing, or, in the boys’ case, slight horror, which is something the schools will need to think about). I’m graduating from a Catholic high school in June, and let me tell you, my Grade 9 sex ed was extremely explicit. In my Grade 12 Religion we have an entire unit on sexuality and a full day devoted to a debate on pornography.

The world, and more directly related, children, are not as sugar coated as you’d like to believe. They, as humans, are developing sexual beings. If someone doesn’t tell them, they’ll find it out on their own. This doesn’t mean they’ll be crazed about sex, but they’ll want to figure it out. Of course, none of this is compared to what I’ve seen online.:P

TL;DR, right? ;P

 
   
 

Second Thoughts

  4/21/2010 10:20:05 AM

Imposing sex education programs on schools where there is no problem with teenage promiscuity (is one even allowed such a term anymore?) and pregnancy has been shown to be a surefire way to produce them, according to U.S. educator Charlotte Isberyt, who has written and spoken extensively on this subject. (You can see her on youtube.) You must understand that there is an agenda behind this, and that is the erosion of traditional values, if not the eventual breakdown of society. Everything is acceptable, EXCEPT VALUES. They are to be scoffed at, even criminalized.

The sex act is to be emptied of moral or (heaven forbid!) spiritual significance. We are to be reduced to rutting animals and everything’s all right… “like, whatever”.

It’s purposeful. Resist this attempt to degrade us!

 
   
 

NewWorldOrd​erNow1

  4/21/2010 10:19:34 AM

In response to Ry_M….I always thought that was the “A-Ok!” hand gesture..

Unfortunately that is not the case. You can see this same hand gesture in recent music videos.

http://www.noonehastodietomorrow.com/occult/media/1845-1845

 
   
 

Ry_M

  4/21/2010 10:19:18 AM

“RE: They’re EIGHT YEARS OLD!

In no way does that invalidate my point. Nice try. ”

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I’m done with invalidating points or validating them. I’m on freedom’s side now and to hell with liberal ideology.

 
   
 

ShagBoon

  4/21/2010 10:18:44 AM

As the Reverend says in the article, they’re “dealing with kids so young I believe that it will end up infringing on their thought processes and their desires and ability to make correct choices.”

Yes indeed. It’s a bit like… oh, I don’t know… telling these kids that they’ll burn in a lake of fire for eternity if they’re bad, perhaps.

 
   
 

BSimmons1

  4/21/2010 10:17:58 AM

Sick and tired: by “when they are grown up and can make their own decisions”, I presume you mean that they will remain blank slates until then, totally un-influenced by bigotry and ignorance in their formative years.

 
   
 

theriddler

  4/21/2010 10:16:20 AM

Hello New world ord.. blah
Ontario’s new sex ed curriculum will teach eight-year-olds to question their sexual orientation and gender. Twelve-year-olds will learn about oral and anal sex. Psychologically, this is child sexual molestation; it is an intolerant, hateful state-sanctioned attack on innocent children characteristic of Illuminati pedophiles.

You’re absolutely right!
to add..the government is caving in to a special interest group to propose something that is not for the greater good of our people. This was the case with the proposal of shariah law.

 
   
 

Ry_M

  4/21/2010 10:16:00 AM

I always thought that was the “A-Ok!” hand gesture..

 
   
 

Canuckatron​

  4/21/2010 10:15:43 AM

RE: They’re EIGHT YEARS OLD!

In no way does that invalidate my point. Nice try.

 
   
 

NewWorldOrd​erNow1

  4/21/2010 10:14:42 AM

Wake up people..

Check out the picture of McGuinty and his hand gesture…

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=2930506

Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty makes Masonic “Eye of Horus” 666 sign while defending new satanic ‘sex education.

 
   
 

Ry_M

  4/21/2010 10:13:33 AM

“You clowns seek to protect a so-called “innocence” but what you actually promote is IGNORANCE. Knowledge of sex in no way corrupts a child, or makes them less innocent… that’s something you just made up to have something to screech about. ”

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They’re EIGHT YEARS OLD!

Heck this song is before my time but I’m going quote it anyway: “Hey, teacher! Leave those kids alone!”

 
                           

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