Article re the Bastarache Report (Moncton) which was to be submitted on Friday 07 Dec. (English google translation and original French text)

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Victims of Father Camille Léger know soon what will be the compensation offered by the Archdiocese of Moncton.

Radio Canada

06 December 2012

Victims of Father Camille Léger know soon what will be the compensation offered by the Archdiocese of Moncton.

The conciliation process was initiated in June, and the conciliator Michel Bastarache present its recommendations on Friday.

The former judge of the Supreme Court will submit its report to the Archbishop of Moncton at the end of the week. It is in this document that will recommend, among other things, how much the victims of Father Camille Leger should receive compensation.

This process of reconciliation flows events last winter. When sexual assault committed by Father Camille Léger asked that his name removed from the arena of Cap-Pelé.
Michel Bastarache, former judge of the Supreme Court

Michel Bastarache said he created a six-levels for amounts to be offered to victims. Benefits begin to $ 10,000. They can go up to $ 350,000.

We had to wait until the details are made public because the archdiocese wants to study the report first.

Michel Bastarache present offers of compensation next week. Victims will then receive payment in January.

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Michel Bastarache présente son rapport d’indemnisation pour les victimes du père Léger

Radio Canada
Mise à jour le jeudi 6 décembre 2012 à 5 h 15 HNE

 le nom du père Camille Léger a été retiré de l’aréna de Cap-Pelé l’hiver dernier

Les victimes du père Camille Léger connaîtront bientôt quelle sera l’indemnité offerte par l’archidiocèse de Moncton.

Les victimes du père Camille Léger connaîtront bientôt quelle sera l’indemnité offerte par l’archidiocèse de Moncton.

Le processus de conciliation a été entamé en juin dernier, et le conciliateur Michel Bastarache présentera ses recommandations vendredi.

L’ancien juge à la Cour suprême va présenter son rapport à l’archevêque de Moncton à la fin de la semaine. C’est dans ce document qu’il va recommander, entre autres, quel montant les victimes du père Camille Léger devraient recevoir en indemnité.

Ce processus de conciliation découle des événements de l’hiver dernier. Quand des victimes d’agression sexuelle commises par le père Camille Léger ont demandé qu’on retire son nom de l’aréna de Cap-Pelé.
Michel Bastarache, ancien juge à la Cour suprême

Michel Bastarache affirme avoir créé une échelle à six échelons pour les montants qui seront offerts aux victimes. Les indemnités commencent à 10 000 $. Elles peuvent aller jusqu’à 350 000 $.

Il faudra attendre avant que les détails soient rendus publics parce que l’archidiocèse veut d’abord étudier le rapport.

Michel Bastarache présentera les offres d’indemnisation dès la semaine prochaine. Les victimes pourront ensuite recevoir le paiement en janvier.

 

27 Responses to Article re the Bastarache Report (Moncton) which was to be submitted on Friday 07 Dec. (English google translation and original French text)

  1. Sylvia says:

    Has anyone heard anything about the report? Was it submitted on Friday? Has there been any coverage in the English media?

    Please, all of you New Brunswickers who follow Sylvia’s Site, fill in the gaps for us. What have you heard? What has been in the news? What have parishioners been told at Masses?

    If the translation is accurate, the above article seems to imply that this “conciliation” process deals only with the Father Leger victims. That is not so. All victims of clerical sexual abuse were able to participate in the process.

    What I wonder will we hear of this particular Bastarache report and recommendations? For example:

    (1) Will we hear how many priests have been identified as molesters?

    (2) Will we be told how many of these molesters are still alive, and if alive, where they are?

    (3) Will we be given the names of the molesters?

    (4) Will we be told how many of these clerical molesters were quietly recycled right out of the archdiocese on the heels of being exposed and moved on to serve an unsuspecting and trusting flock elsewhere?

    (5) Will we be told how many victims reported their abuse to Church authorities and were rebuffed?

    • Baspuit says:

      These are all good question, that were not answered when Bastarache was working in the diocese of Bathurst. So good luck in the diocese of Moncton!

      What is the difference in what Bastarache doing now, compared in 1995 when Mgr Léger and father Vienneau paid off a victim for silence?????

      • jj says:

        What a difference! As of today (New Year’s Eve), we know:

        1 – Two priests have been identified;
        2 – Both are still alive;
        3 – Their names are Arsenault and Després;
        4 – Neither was “recycled out” of the archdiocese, although it did take over four months for the people to find out why Arsenault was instructed to leave his ministry and “retire”.

        The only question that hasn’t been answered is number 5. This may be more difficult to ascertain. Perhaps a criminal investigation (which is, of course, outside the scope of the Bastarache conciliatory process) will divulge attempts to report these abuses to higher authorities?

        • Baspuit says:

          The difference you claim has nothing to do with ex-juge Bastarache and his conciliatory process! I would check with certain former obudsman, (with a couple of victims).
          Still go back to my initial question “what is the difference in Bastarache paying out victims/silence today, compared to when Norman Brun was paid out in 1995 by Mgr Leger and then father Valery Vienneau? To me there is no difference, pay out with out a word about it! You’ll get no more from Bastarache and compagnie!

          • jj says:

            The only difference I can “claim” is the difference I can see, Baspuit. Because of the Bastarache process, Yvon Arsenault lost his job in July – today we know why.

            Any money I would receive as a victim through the conciliatory process is not, in my opinion, to silence me. I can testify in criminal court when called upon.

            I have had no dealings with the ombudsman, so I can’t personally comment on what happened in 1995. However, I choose to believe that some good has already come out of this – even more will when other victims come forward not only to pursue the matter in civil court (or conciliation) but through the criminal system.

  2. Sylvia says:

    I just checked the archdiocesan website – there is not a word there that I can find about the conciliation process or Michel Bastarache.

  3. Baspuit says:

    It came out yesterday on the Journal de Montreal, about Bastarache says the vatican will help pay for abuses in Moncton. Will get back to you as soon as I get a copy of it.

  4. jj says:

    I have yet to see any information online about any priest involved other than Camille Leger… yet I know for a fact that there has been someone else identified during this process.

    Neither Mr. Bastarache nor the Archdiocese is obligated to divulge this information – however, in the event that a police investigation would take place, instigated by reports from abuse victims, the Archdiocese would fully cooperate with the RCMP. A source read me a letter last night from the Archbishop’s hand promising this cooperation.

  5. jj says:

    The proverbial cat is out of the bag…

    My mother called me tonight after church, to tell me that the priest had read a communiqué from Archbishop Vienneau explaining that Yvon Arsenault was relieved of his priestly duties last summer because he had been accused of sexual abuse. The congregation was also told that victims would be compensated through the Bastarache conciliation process.

    This is indeed a fact that Father Yvon Arsenault has been mentioned more than once since the Bastarache Process began this year in Moncton. His removal was a great place to start. Stay tuned…

    jj

  6. Sylvia says:

    Thank you so much jj. I had been told by two different sources that Arsenault was a molester and that the diocese was aware there were allegations against him. I understand that Father Arsenualt was quietly removed from his duties in August of this year. It has taken nearly four months for the diocese to advise the faithful of the diocese that there are sexual abuse allegations against this priest.

    Yes, that is a good, albeit belated, start. At least the Catholic faithful now know that there are sex abuse allegations against Father Arsenault, and I of course can now alert Catholics by adding his name, and a page with further information, to the Accused list.

    I encourage anyone with allegations against Father Yvon Arsenault to go to police.

  7. Baspuit says:

    jj, The former obusdman had dealing with the diocese this spring and not in 1995. I’ve also mention this to Sylvia some time ago and that she should interveiw him. As for criminal charges, that’s fine and dandy as long as your predetor is still living.
    Bastarache has mention that in the diocese of Bathurst there is more then Levi Noel or Charles Picot that have abused children, this was in a french newspaper (28,10,2010). We are still waiting to find out, who are these other criminals. It is sad to say that it will be the same in Moncton. NO TRANSPERENCY what so ever! If your pedophile priest that abused you is dead, so is the story! Bastarache & Vienneau and compagnie would have it no other way! Why don’t they come clean as the boy scouts of Canada did, in giving all pedophile priest files to the police! By the way do you know of any victim in Moncton, who were asked by Bastarache or Vienneau “What can we do so as this never happen again”? It was’nt asked at the Bastarache conciliatory process in the diocese of Bathurst!
    Not trying to kill your pro-Bastarache conciliatory process, but more in getting down to the truth of the matter.

    • jj says:

      Baspuit, I hope you do find the truth in what happened in Bathurst, however you are able to achieve this. Ultimately, I hope it brings you peace.

      I am not continuing this discussion with you on whether the Bastarache conciliatory process is “good or bad” – I just ask that you can accept that it may serve its purpose to some of us – if not, participants are free to opt out.

      Happy new year.

  8. JG says:

    Baspuits…Good job at keeping your ears up! …and for breaking the ice here.

    ” jj” …other than claiming you were a victim…I have to say your posts have left an aftertaste right from the start: you never sounded right..and you still don’t!! You are more of a “cheerleader” for the Bastarache process with the recent support, on an other tread, by a “Lost Boy”, to give you credibility, maybe.

    You remind me of a new twist on an old game too often played by clergy supporters on this site. You come in as a victim… but you only bring about the sound of someone who is part of the “conciliation process” in some other way. Maybe just working on the public opinion. God knows the church knows a “good thing” when there is a payoff…and the “Bastarache team” after enduring the “critics” may want to fight back!
    Right now, I don’t believe very much about your scenario, as you presented it…
    I wonder how many others had that annoying gut feeling???…You may not want to continue this conversation as well…
    If I am wrong, I’ll gladly be corrected!
    jg

    • jj says:

      JG,

      I didn’t realize that there actually was a “right or wrong” when posting on this website. From your suggestions that I am a “cheerleader” and supported by “Lost Boy” on this site, you question my credibility, leaving me to either defend myself here or to ignore your comments.

      I have too much respect for Sylvia and what her work here to let your accusations of mistrust and disbelief slide. “Lost Boy” is a real person – someone who has indeed suffered, like so many here. I was also victimized, and because we saw Yvon Arsenault’s name in print, we rejoiced. Whether or not I choose to participate in the Bastarache process is my business – and to have my credibility questioned because I do, and to call me a “clergy supporter”, is rather insulting. I listed the positive points I saw come out of my experience with the conciliatory process. If you consider me a “clergy supporter” for that, then do you also consider those who accepted anonymous compensation as supporting the clergy who abused them too? Come on!

      Consider yourself corrected, JG. If you continue to have a bad feeling in your gut, there’s nothing I can do to change that. Perhaps Sylvia will support me by stating that we have had a long phone conversation, and continue to exchange e-mails.

      • Sylvia says:

        Yes, jj, I have indeed spoken at length with you and we are in contact by email. I can and will assure everyone that you are like every other victim out there who is seeking justice.

        I have no way of knowing what happens behind the scenes by do think perhaps that you played a significant role in seeing that Father Yvon Arsenault was publicly identified as a ‘suspect’ clerical predator. As I say, I have no way of knowing if that is or is not the case, but, that’s my gut feel. The fact that it took several months for Church officials to be honest about the actual reason for Father Arsenault’s exodus does not, I believe, reflect well on the diocese. I also have no way of knowing who actually pulled the strings to force that announcement: was it Mr. Bastarache? was it a member of his team? was it someone in the Archdiocese? I just don’;t know. Perhaps in time we will all find out.

        Were there known allegations against Arsenault before this? For example, as is so often he case, has ‘the archdiocese’ known for years that this priest was a molester and allowed him to continue to function as a priest? Hopefully we will find that out in due course too.

        And then of course there is the Bathurst situation which I believe triggered this response to you jj and to Lost Boy.

        Are there any Father Arsenualt’s running about the Bathurst Diocese (or elsewhere) who were identified as molesters during the Bathurst/Bastarache conciliation process who have NOT been publicly identified? And, why are the names of all the clerical predators reported during the Bathurst/Bastarche conciliation process- dead or alive – not being released? Will all those identified in the Moncton conciliation process be released publicly?

        I personally have no problem with anyone settling when there are no strings attached to the settlement, the victim is treated with respect and compassion, and the name of the priest is publicized. This seems to be what happened with jj. Yes, it took several months for the diocese to come clean – but that’s par for the course is it not? it will be some time before we find out the whys and wherefores of that belated announcement, but, for now, the thing is, it was done. And, to date, not only has the archdiocese released the name of Father Yvon Arsenault’s, it also, in conjunction with that release, released the name of Father Irois Despres.

        Do you have any idea how unusual it is for this to happen here in Canada? Canada is not the United States, and it is not Ireland. This is just not the way things are done in Canada. It is a huge step! If it was done with the powers that be kicking and screaming all the way, so be it. It was done. I would prefer that the right things are done for the right reasons, but, in all honesty, when it comes to clerical predators and child sexual abuse and placing children at risk, I have personally don’t care if it’s done with them kicking and screaming all the way. It’s done. People now know that there are sex abuse allegations against these two priests. In due course we will find out what was known about them when, and by whom, and of in fact they were ever quietly recycled within the archdiocese. The wheels grind slowly, but I do believe that in due course will find out.

        Baspuit, it’s true too that you passed on the name of Father Arsenault to me quite some time ago. I felt my hands were tied. I believed you, but I felt that I could not intervene without further information. There are unfortunately many such instances in which, after considerable thought, I reluctantly conclude that I have no other option than to sit on information and hope and pray that another door opens.

        Anyway. I think this has all sorted itself out now. I often say that tensions run high on a blog such as this, and indeed they do :).

  9. JG says:

    Good job jj.
    Don’t be too offended because I decided to be direct and throw in the kitchen sink with a challenge. So many times on this site victims have been strung along for the wrong reasons, for too long. You and everyone else need to remain on our guards until the signs become clear that the cover-ups and the lies have stopped.
    As for anyone’s credibility..I think all should expect some doubt now and then, this is the nature of the anonymous internet beast. My motives and my approach has been questioned more than once but anything gained was for you and others involved in this process. If you don’t mind getting a little mad at my improbable scenario, I enjoy being corrected if we keep our perspective on correcting the wrongs of the past and making sure we make the future a safer place for all children.
    Keep up the good fight, right into the courtroom!?…and don’t let them put you to sleep. Don’t go away quietly because of a settlement…I can “now” feel the fight in you!
    I salute you, with due respect.
    jg

    • jj says:

      Merci, JG… You and I definitely share the same objectives – to right past wrongs and to make the world safer for our children.

      Thank you for challenging me – you made me realize I may have been coming across differently than I wanted to. I do remain vigilant that this is an open forum where people may cause trouble.

      And don’t worry – I’ve been called many things, but never “silent” 🙂

      jj

  10. PJ says:

    jj and JG: You are both gutsy to use such direct tactics and I have new found respect for the two of you to take the high road to communicate your differences. I have been as direct with others with mixed results so it was nice to read how you both worked things out. I too have always taken the direct approach when reading a suspect post from some new poster. It takes a certain amount of courage to do so. You both have this in spades! There are those who wear collars, or who blindly support collars, both types trying to drive wedges between us to cause turmoil on the only site that offers truth and support for victims of that church. I will remain vigilant as I’m sure you both will too. Your posts have given me comfort to know I’m not alone…thank you both!

  11. Leona says:

    I wanted to say the same thing as you, PJ. I believe that it is this type of direct communication that owns our skepticism but reaches it in a spirit of meaningful attempts to understand the other is what is needed if we really want to promote healing. Thanks Jj and JG for modeling.
    I for one want people to call me on my b.s. It’s not always pleasant to hear, but without someone holding up the mirror to me it’s hard to know how my message is coming across.
    Best wishes to all who come to this site. thank you all for sharing your voices. May the year ahead bring us still more healing and enlightenment.

  12. JG says:

    I’m glad this turned out in a positive exchange so quickly and not only for jj and I. In a real face to face encounter we may (probably)have ended up not getting it right in the heat of the moment…As for anything else said over this media, the time for reflection can be beneficial. All parties have to be “listening”…In “real life” this direct
    approach can be a sure way to loose friends…and family. Not everyone wants to know the answers…On this site, this medium, we often end up struggling to “say what we mean” whereas in a live conversation we don’t always “mean what we say”…

    Not to stray away from the Bastarache process, I believe that if things seem to have improved it was due in part because of the continued pressure applied on this process that may have forced some issues. But there is a long way to go. If we stop demanding more things will just roll back down the hill. There is a bit of wishful thinking that goes along with their resolution when in fact the payout only “cover “the issue for a while. Just long enough for some to feel vindicated, for others to pass away, for the collective memory to fade.
    The issues related to this clergy abuse reach deep into our societies, communities and families. Baspuits has often repeated and requested that the church be involved in the “recovery” of the victims by advocating they provide counselling, acknowledge the serious “church problems”… Three years into this debate I truly don’t see much change in the church approach. It is self -serving at 99%…sadly!

    jg

  13. Leona says:

    JG, your words always hit home to me. I see something important in your comment that gives me hope.
    “The issues related to this clergy abuse reach deep into our societies, communities and families…. Three years into this debate I truly don’t see much change in the church approach.”

    I’ve got over twenty years invested observing this debate, and sometimes reaching out to add my voice, and I see little change over that time. Sylvia’s site, and the collective voices of those on this site have done much to bring light to this important issue.

    The issues do run deep, but they are not just local issues, they are a collective at minimum Canadian issue, but I truly believe they are a world issue. The church appears to want them to stay as a local isolated issue -own this debate we hear of Mount Cashel, Bathhurst, Cornwall, London, Victoria etc. that allows the issue to stay local and isolated, but pressure at a National level, such as what we saw in Ireland, and are beginning to see in Australia is what is needed.

    I believe we need to work together to make this happen. I know it’s the great Canadian geographical challenge, but together we can make a difference, and there’s is power in working together. I’m not sure how we can go about this, I had thought we could do it under SNAP, but it certainly doesn’t have to be done that way. We could form our own Canadian advocacy group. Any thoughts or ideas would be truly appreciated.

  14. JG says:

    Dear Leona,
    Here we go again!… I think we will have to start a “mutual admiration” movement.. 🙂
    How many times now you have been the little voice that gives me “Hope” as well! You always come in when I start questioning my sanity for prolonging this battle beyond the attraction of the “flavor of the month” lifespan…You understood what I meant and I can only reprint your meaningful words:

    ” The issues do run deep, but they are not just local issues, they are a collective at minimum Canadian issue, but I truly believe they are a world issue. The church appears to want them to stay as a local isolated issue -own this debate we hear of Mount Cashel, Bathhurst, Cornwall, London, Victoria etc. that allows the issue to stay local and isolated, but pressure at a National level, such as what we saw in Ireland, and are beginning to see in Australia is what is needed.”

    “local, isolated issues”…says it well. In the beginning, ”the victims were isolated”…
    I believe that stage of the recovery is slowly but surely being addressed, although I hear PJ find comfort to know that he is not alone, in the above post( I and many others heard you! even if we remained silent.You are not alone!)
    Then families were isolated or cheated when not threatened. How would they have been treated if they had accused their priest?… they would have been called liars, shunned by their fellow parishioners or worse, by the Diocese if they acted as a collectivity( no priest for 12 years to punish an entire village!): Leon Gagnon !
    You bring up the “isolated communities” in the way the church has been handling all the cases an we mostly go along with it without a second thought. “Oh Ya! Mount Cashel…that was terrible. Bathurst…” and so on. We quickly put it in the past because we are so busy and some recent “news” is more captivating. I too am so grateful that Sylvia finds the energy to not let it slip away…
    I have mostly been away in the past few months but that is not to say that my interest and curiosity has waned. To the contrary, I have reflected a lot on a broader cataclysm related to this church abuse as it trickled down and out of the rectory, the confessional box or the front seat of “Father’s ” new car!!!…
    Nobody really wants to talk about it because that door leads from the church into our homes…
    Theo Fleury came out on a CBC news report and bluntly stated that 80% of abuse of children occurs in the home! …Some priests and the church have sometimes tried to use that in their own defense(crass!)To realize the extent of the damages caused by the clergy abuse we will eventually have to face “that”……..if one out of 4 victims of abuse becomes an abuser, how do we begin to break that cycle?…I don’t think anyone has really wanted to look at those figures, especially not the church! It may be an entirely new debate best suited for another forum but I just can’t help seeing a direct relationship between the two issues as you said, everywhere in the world. The church had so much influence all over the world, for so long…Will we have “that” conversation?…How will we break “that isolation”…
    If families model themselves on the church, this process will take many lifetimes to correct the wrongs of the past…If I sound extremely mad at the church you know why: they should have been setting a good example all along! …and no there is no “noble” loyalty towards anyone, priest or biological father, mother, uncle…who has transgressed the innocence of a child. I believe we will have to come to a place other than “condemnation” to begin the healing. This is where the POWER of confession will make a difference.
    My Father was a victim of sexual abuse. Many of you know he passed away in 2010. I have asked too many questions since…just enough to question whether he became part of the 25%???….Yes I am very upset with the “Holy Church”[sic] which allowed this destruction to continue.
    Leona, I suggest we start the “Decent Humans Advocacy”.
    “Isolated”?…very isolated!… and I wasn’t a victim!
    I hope no one else out there is left in such a vacuum….
    It will be worth it however if for just ”one child”. I mean it .

    Another chapter…
    jg

  15. Leona says:

    My holiday reading has been ‘Women Who Run With The Wolves’. Something about turning 50, that brings to the fore the notion of stepping into battle as opposed to retreating into the corner like the Disney version of Cinderella waiting for the prince to rescue me/us/the children,
    The battle needs to be prolonged, did you see the posts about Fr. Rene Turcotte, JG? The fairy tale ending, the great funereal in the cathedral for a known sex offender while those of us who fight for truth and justice feel exiled, excluded – unwelcome.
    I don’t know what would be needed to restore my faith in this organization that has been so blind to the pain and suffering they have caused, but a start would be to hear the Canadian Confeerence of Catholic Bishops collectively express the sentiments I outlined in my fictional sermon. It would be a start.

  16. JG says:

    Leona,
    Yes I read the “Touchette” fairy tale. I was too disgusted to comment. He did have a good remission for a dying man along with the gift of a short sentence!!!
    I have to go away, another “fire” that I have to tend to, unexpectedly! I don’t think I’ll have the mindset to contribute for a while…But I’ll be back.
    To all the victims and families, friends and contributors to this site, I wish all the best in the new year.
    Sincerely
    jg

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