Perry Dunlop “Story” 

Perry Dunlop’s Will State PART 3 (pp 57 - 84)

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WILL STATE - Constable Perry Dunlop                            

                            Cornwall Police Service                              April 7, 2000  

I was directed to his office and he inquired as to what this was all about. I told him it was self explanatory in the cover letter, the video tape and the four volumes of documents. I gave him a snapshot. I indicated who I was and that the evidence in this box involves allegations of pedophiles, child molestation and obstruct justice. I advise about the players involved; Probation, Crown Attorney's office, Police, Catholic Church. He tried to direct me towards the Police Complaints Commission or the Cornwall Police Service. I told him that I did not know who to trust.

John stated," I have to protect the minister, he could loose his seat if he views the evidence. I can accept the letter but not the package. We have no authority to investigate."

I told that I would feel better knowing that the "Top Cop" in the province has the file. He indicated that it is a misunderstanding he is the "Top Cop".

I then asked to speak with Fred Peters. I was denied this request. John indicates that I should go to the first floor and see The Ontario Civilian Commission on Policing, some Chitra person. I again ask him to just keep it on file and he indicates that they have no filing system. John signed and gave me his card. John Periversoff-Special Assistant, Policing Office of Deputy Solicitor General Department.

I then went to Murray Chitra's office first floor. John had already been there ahead of me. I delivered the full package to The Ontario Civilian Commission on Policing. C. Labielski, clerk assistant took documents. It was indicated that Chitra was in a meeting. A receipt was signed. I never received a response from this department.

I then proceeded to 720 Bay Street, home to Attorney General Charles Harnick. The full package was received by Michael Austin-Title Appeal records and Support Assistant. He indicated we will take a look at it. He signed a receipt for the material.

I called home on this date. John MacDonald had called along with three other victims who would not leave names. I had been in Toronto since March 31st returning to Cornwall on the 10th of April.

Receipts for material at above mentioned office.

(Book Two - Tab 7) 

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14th April 1997 - Sgt Snyder wants a statement as to how I met Don Labelle.

15th April 1997 - Went to the station for uniform, as I was nearing my return to work date. Gave statement to Sgt Snyder.

17th April 1997 - Detective Sergeant Pat Hall calls to inform that reviewing tape and statements taken. Big meeting with Senior Crown Peter Griffiths, Robert Pelletier and Police on the 24 April 1997 to decide on where case is going.

19th April 1997 - Fred Renshaw calls. Information is that Doug Seguin is attempting to get in touch with his brother Gerry. John MacDonald indicates the names of two other males that are possibly victims. I never made contact with these males.

21st April 1997 - Called Ron Leroux. Indications are that no police agency has contacted him.

30th April 1997 - Detective Sergeant Pat Hall called. Looking at all allegations.

6th May 1997 - D.S. stopped in. Stated that he told Cornwall Police Service about Marcel Lalonde in 1992-1993 when he first contacted our Service.

Also, on this date I receive a correspondence from The Solicitor General of Ontario Robert Runciman.

19th May 1997 - First shift back to active duty.

30th May 1997 - I attended a restaurant in town and observed Senior Crown Murray MacDonald having lunch with Jacques Leduc( currently charged by Project Truth), Guy Simard and Andre White.

31st May 1997 - M.P.P. Bob Kilger returns my call. His campaign office had called. He indicates that I morally did the right thing, his concern was police procedure.

1st June 1997 - Called Ron Leroux and told him to hang in there.

11th June 1997 - Working day shift relief at the front desk. Noted that Inspector Tim Smith, of the Ontario Provincial Police, had come in to see Inspector Trew. 

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Inspector Trew came to see me and indicated that Inspector Tim Smith would like to speak with me. I recognized Smith when he first came in from seeing him on the television as well as in the book "Boys Don't Cry".

Inspector Trew took me into his office and introduced me to Inspector Tim Smith. Inspector Tim Smith informed me that he was the lead investigator in the pedophile incidents and he was in possession of the material that was sent to Chief Fantino in December of 1996. I was told that the investigation may take up to six months to complete.

Inspector Tim Smith indicated that an outside Crown Attorney from Bay Street in Toronto was going to be in charge of looking at the file. He indicated that Robert Pelletier was no longer going to be the Crown on the case as there had to be a perception of independence and fairness. Inspector Tim Smith indicated that he investigated the incident in Summerstown where Travis Varley shot his cousin accidentally a couple of years earlier. Inspector Tim Smith learned that at the time there were several young persons on probation that were drinking at Ken's house prior to the shooting. Inspector Tim Smith indicated that he made probation aware of this fact, but that nothing was ever done.

Inspector Tim Smith indicated he knew Malcolm MacDonald was a pedophile and was aware that Malcolm MacDonald molested boys/males in Florida and Pennsylvania. Inspector Tim Smith indicated that he reported to Children's Aid Society two years ago the fact that Marcel Lalonde was a pedophile. D.S. had made Inspector Tim Smith aware of this fact. Inspector Tim Smith indicated knowledge of a group of pedophiles in the Cornwall area. The problem is how to get them flushed out and how to get victims to come forward.

Inspector Tim Smith wanted me to forward all further victims to him. He said he had some coppers who are working on the file who were experts in the field of sexual assault investigation. The names were Genier, Hall, Lefebvre and Seguin all members of The Ontario Provincial Police, and now members of a special project team. Inspector Tim Smith then made reference to the pornographic tapes that were taken from Ron Leroux's residence on the search warrant. He said that they were destroyed by O.P.P. Lancaster. Inspector Tim Smith indicated he would like to have them as it would make his investigation a lot easier.

Inspector Tim Smith said he took exception in the Dunlop/Bourgeois brief where it was mentioned that he kissed the Archbishop's ring. He indicated it was a

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joke. I indicated that it was in black and white print in the book about the Alfred case "BOY'S DON'T CRY" Inspector Smith indicated that although he was Catholic he no longer attends Church and in fact is currently being sued by the Roman Catholic Church. Inspector Tim Smith indicated to me that he wanted to keep the criminal investigation separate from the civil suit. Smith said it was hard to convict/prove assault with only one victim. Inspector Tim Smith indicated that was the reason why Father Charles MacDonald was not proceeded with the first time.

Inspector Tim Smith indicated that he still stood behind his original investigation where no charges were laid. Inspector Tim Smith said he could not understand why people had come to me, because most of the people I took statements off were previously interviewed by the Ontario Provincial Police, as well as the Ottawa Police investigators. I recall we talked about dress code. I asked the investigators if they always wore suits. The reply was yes, we want the victims to take us seriously.

Inspector Tim Smith indicated to me - keep professional in your involvement in the case and indicated that he did not want to cause me any added stress. I told him that I just wanted the truth out in this case and that I will stick to my same course that I started on The Safety of Children. I told him that I was very unfamiliar with the press and the politics of this type of situation. Inspector Tim Smith indicated that I would learn. Inspector Tim Smith indicated that he does not go to the press in these cases. Inspector Tim Smith indicated the name of the project would be "PROJECT TRUTH".

Inspector Tim Smith indicated that the Catholic Church would rather admit to murder than child abuse. Inspector Tim Smith indicated a lot of what was provided in my material is true and we know it. Court is the problem. The Catholic Church will spare no expense defending priests. Inspector Tim Smith indicated he had 30 years experience with this type of case.

Inspector Tim Smith indicated that I should advise my brother in law Carson Chisholm not to take anymore statements. Inspector Tim Smith indicated that the more people that become involved, the more difficult the prosecution would be.

Inspector Tim Smith indicated he has spent as much as two days interviewing victims. I ask him about a public inquiry, (as in Royal Commission or Judicial Inquiry) and he indicated that it was more or less just a venting forum. Inspector

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Tim Smith indicated about Malcolm MacDonald pleading to Obstruct Justice.

Inspector Tim Smith indicated that lawyer Jacques Leduc had no involvement in the deal. Inspector Tim Smith indicated that there were precedents with regards to the sentencing of Malcolm MacDonald.

I spoke about Dr. John Bradford in the context of the affidavit that he gave in relation to my Police Act trial. Inspector Tim Smith indicated that Bradford will say whatever you want depending on who is paying him.

Inspector Tim Smith indicated that this is a complex case. I wished him luck.

I distinctly remember at this meeting I inquired as to victims. More specifically sexual assault victims who come forward to me. What if they wish my presence at a statement they may give to police. Inspector Tim Smith indicated there was no problem with that.

The message was clear. Get the statement. That was the priority.

I also recall at this meeting the issue of help for survivors had come up. Inspector Tim Smith indicated that I had mentioned in my cover letter to the Solicitor General that a mechanism be set up in Cornwall to deal with the needs of sexual assault victims. Inspector Tim Smith indicated that this would not take place, as they had no mandate. It should be noted that a men's group did get off the ground, two years later, in 1999 to deal with the victims.

Inspector Trew said little or nothing during this meeting and did not actively participate.

17th June 1997 - I am advised by a reliable source that the Cornwall case will be bigger than Prescott. (NOTES)

27th June 1997 - John MacDonald came over. Indications were that more victims were coming forward to C.A.S. and Rick Able wanted to know what victims wanted.

30th June 1997 - Letter from Ministry of Attorney General's office in response to the package I delivered to same. The letter indicates that everything that I forwarded has been passed on to the Ontario Provincial Police. The letter is

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signed by Director of Crown Operations Peter D. Griffiths. The letter is cc: to Detective Inspector Tim Smith.

28^th July 1997 - I was on duty when an unidentified male called the station. He indicated he was calling from North Bay, Ontario. He indicated that he attended the Classical College in Cornwall for a period of four years and was viciously, repeatedly sexually assaulted by priests and brothers from the school.

He said he used to have to stay there on the weekends in the dorms, as his home was in Northern Ontario. He indicated there were three dorms on site. Each dorm held approximately one hundred students. He indicated that there was a mascot dog they used to keep on the school property. He related how one day one of the instructors came into class (a brother/priest) and asked the boys if they liked the dog. The class was situated on the top floor of the college. The brother/priest promptly went to the window, opened in up, and threw the dog to its death.

He indicated on the phone that he was so happy that it was me who answered. He said he has lived in fear all of his life. I tried to point him towards Project Truth and gave him the number, I do not know if he made this contact.

The man sounded very broken hearted.

I recall another person telling me about this dog story.

29th July 1997 - Two more males indicate to me that they were sexually assaulted. I inform them of the project. No statement taken. (NOTES page 85)

1st August 1997 - J.L. Marleau calls, states he is a Lawyer from Quebec who is representing some victims from the Classical College in Cornwall. He then mentions the names of abusers. I had not heard these names prior to this.

I have since learned that Mr. J.L. Marleau attended Classical College of Cornwall. I have also learned that his brother Robert Marleau attended the Classical College in Cornwall.

Robert Marleau was the Student President of the Classical College. Robert Marleau is the Clerk of the House of Commons in Ottawa.

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J.L. Marleau has gone to preliminary trial with allegations that four or five men sexually abused him.

At the end of a preliminary the judge stated in summary that Mr. J.L.Marleau was:" used like a sexual puppet between the accused men."

7th August 1997 - Meeting at H.Q. with Inspector Tim Smith, Detective Pat Hall and Inspector Trew. The meeting was about unauthorized release to the media. (Book Two - Tab 11)

8th September 1997 - Court in Ottawa John MacDonald on the stand.

9th September 1997 - Court in Ottawa D.S. cross / chief 45 min.

10th September 1997 - Court in Ottawa D.S. cross

11th September 1997 - Court in Ottawa

23rd September 1997 - Detective Sergeant Pat Hall calls re: notes made in contemplation of civil litigation. Told him to contact my lawyer John Morris from the law firm Borden & Elliot in Toronto. He indicated that was fine, he indicated he would get the number and place the call. I was unsure as to what I was required to hand over to Police. I knew there was a lawyer client privilege, and felt that my counsel should be contacted.

26th September 1997 - Called into Inspector Trew's office with Acting Sergeant Aikman. Given a letter and told to read it.

Dated 25 September 1997.

To Constable Perry Dunlop

 # 76 Cornwall Police Service,

340 Pitt

Cornwall, Ontario

K6H 5T7

I have recently been informed by Tim Smith of the Ontario Provincial Police that you have given his investigating officer a list of names that are possible victims of sexual assault. When the investigating officer requested further disclosure such as notes, tapes, statements etc. pertaining to these alleged sexual assaults

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Cornwall, Thus under Statute you are mandated to disclose to proper authorities any information on victims or alleged sexual assaults.

I, therefore, order you to disclose to Inspector Tim Smith, or his investigator, all of your notes, tapes, statements, etc. that you have made or received, relating to Inspector Tim Smith's request of August 7, 1997.

This disclosure is to be made prior to Friday, October 3, 1997.

Yours truly

R.W. Trew

 Inspector

cc.Deputy Chief J.G. St. Denis

cc.lnspector B. Wells

cc.lnspector Tim Smith, O.P.P.

21:45 called President of Cornwall Police Association Claude Lortie to inform him of the letter.

Copy of letter. (Book Two - Tab 12)

3rd October 1997 - Called Inspector Trew re deadline.

8th October 1997 - Spoke to Inspector Trew re: package. Phoned Detective Sergeant Pat Hall O.P.P. set up a meeting for Friday.

10th October 1997 - Meeting with Detective Sergeant Pat Hall O.P.P.

24th October 1997 - Father Charles MacDonald committed on all counts to stand trial.

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12th November 1997 - Keith Ouelette calls leaves a voice mail. States he was sexually assaulted by Richard Nickerson and Ken Seguin when he was a young boy. I directed him to get in touch with Project Truth.

24th November 1997 - Court in Newmarket. My initial lawyer had failed to show up and remove himself from the record. I was abandoned at the final hour prior to court commencing. I asked for an adjournment to seek new legal counsel. I was ordered by Senior Justice Logan to re-draft the statement of claim, and return by 2 February 1998. Lawyer for the Police Services Board John Callaghan wants case thrown out.

Senior Justice Logan indicates that he has concern when a First Class Constable with an impeccable record makes a complaint in the context of a law suit about his superiors covering up. It also involves Crown Attorney's Office. He will not throw the case out. He indicates this is not tolerable to the people of Ontario.

27th November 1997 - Called into the Officer in Charge office to speak with Staff Sergeant Gary Derouchie. "An allegation has been made of improper use of the in-house public address system.

Perry do you understand what I am here for. Let me explain briefly so there is no misunderstanding. Allegations are that you made improper or inappropriate use of the public address system. The subject matter was Burke and Kirkey. The choice is yours. Draw up a conduct sheet or do a complete investigation."

I ask the date and time this was alleged to have happened, and who generated the complaint. He did not answer my questions or concerns. He was not prepared to go beyond this date with the offer of a conduct sheet. I told him:"go ahead do a full investigation."

I was later told 24 February 1997 while standing outside the Police Station, waiting for a ride home, by Staff Sergeant Derouchie that there would be no further action taken with regard to this incident. I have never seen any paperwork on this alleged incident.

The interesting fact is that on the 27th of November 1997, it was well known, that

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I was going to, stand up in front of my Police Association body and ask for their support in my lawsuit.

I feel this act by Staff Sergeant Derouchie was intended to throw me off balance. Indicating that there was going to be a full investigation done. Staff Sergeant Derouchie calls me in a formal setting makes a serious allegation. The end result is that in an informal setting, three months later, I'm told it's over. Attached address to Cornwall Police Association.

On or about the 12th of December 1997- While at roll call prior to shift received an internal message by way of letter from Deputy Chief J. St. Denis. Had to do with alleged rumours or gossip about a priest. The deputy had been contacted by lawyer Pat Rudden.

(Book Two - Tab 14) 

1998 

Early January 1999 - I was called by Ted Carney who indicated that he wanted to meet with me.

13th January 1998 - Letter as given by Inspector Trew as follows: Internal Correspondence

TO            :        O.I.C. -Field Operations

FROM      :        Inspector R.W. Trew

SUBJECT :      CST. P. DUNLOP REQUESTING ASSISTANCE AND

                         CONSULTATION WITH CROWN'S OFFICE

DATE       :       JANUARY 13,1998

All arrangements for contact with the Crown's office will be through Staff Sergeant C. Lortie or Acting Sergeant D. Aikman. Supervisors will further confer with case Manager Cst. K. Malloy.

Consultation arrangements will be made with Senior Assistant Crown Guy Simard. Constable Dunlop's supervisors or Cst Malloy, will be present at all such

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meetings.

Inspector R. W. Trew

copy to:           Chief A. Repa

Deputy Chief J. St Denis

Staff Sergeant C. Lortie

Acting Sergeant D. Aikman

Constable K. Malloy

Constable P. Dunlop

Crown Attorney Office

There was no call to prompt this letter. As a Constable on General Uniform Patrol I would have little or no direct dealing with the Crown's Office. I had been back on duty since the spring of 1997. Suddenly I receive this pointed letter. It was obvious my simple presence as a police officer was bothering the Crown, more specifically the Senior Crown Murray MacDonald.

(Book Two - Tab 15) 

(Book Two - Tab 15) I have also included a letter of commendation from Assistant Crown Attorney Guy Simard. The letter was in relation to the last Judge and Jury trial I was involved in. The letter was directed to S/Sgt Derochie: 

Dear Sir:

As you may be aware the above accused was convicted on October 21st last after a lengthy jury trial.

The case itself was complex and necessitated various strategy meetings and much more instruction from the investigating officer, Cst Perry Dunlop. As well, some of the witnesses had special needs which impacted on their ability to testify in court.

I was very impressed with the ability of Cst Dunlop to manage these difficult witnesses, to keep me thoroughly and accurately apprised of all new developments and to prepare such a thorough and comprehensive brief.

I would like to formally commend Cst. Dunlop for his excellent management of the case.

Guy Simard

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As I view the two correspondence it is hard to believe that a seventeen year veteran police officer, having had tenures in Criminal Investigations, Joint Forces Drugs and Intelligence Bureaus, an undercover operative for the Province of Ontario under the guidance of the Solicitor General's office, suddenly requires three other people in the room when he talks to the Crown Attorney.

This was totally unwarranted and intimidating.

To my knowledge this had never been done before.

15th January 1998 - I testify at Marcel Lalonde's preliminary hearing.

19th January 1998 - I met Ted Carney in Ottawa. He indicated to me that he was sexually abused by four different men when he was a young boy. I told him about Project Truth.

24th January 1998 - Ted Carney attends Cornwall and contacts Project Truth.

14th February 1998 - Message to call a Stephen Messman.

16th February 1998 - Meet with Messman. He indicates that he was sexually abused by Father Charles MacDonald and another Priest in Apple Hill 13 - 14 years old. I advise him to go to the Ontario Provincial Police Project Truth.

24th February 1998 - Staff Sergeant Derouchie states no more investigation re: public address system.

8th May 1998 - Barbara McCrimmon calls my home, to state that her son Cory was sexually assaulted by Jacques Leduc when he was 12-17. I told her to go to O.P.P.- Project Truth states that has already been done.

13th July 1998 - On this date I received a letter in my mailbox from a victim. The letter indicates he was sexually assaulted by Ken Seguin while he was on probation.

23rd July 1998 - 15:10 Hrs. 10-19. (Attend station) Cst. Sauve advises me at the station to see Inspector Wells. Attend Wells office, he advises to go see Inspector Trew. I attend Inspector Trew's office. Present are Inspector Trew,

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Inspector Tim Smith and Det Sergeant Pat Hall, Inspector Tim Smith inquires about my wife's comment to the press: "Every parent should be knocking down the O.P.P.'s door demanding to know who these pedophiles are." Wants to know about certain issues my wife has brought up. I indicated that maybe he should ask her.

Inspector Tim Smith tells me he won't be intimidated by the media, lawyers or public pressure. I told him that I won't be intimidated either. He stated that it makes it hard for victims to come forward if they had no confidence. Indicates that victims will not come forward if this continues.

Inspector Tim Smith wants to know about Barbara McCrimmon. I stated that I spoke to her and directed her to Project Truth. Inspector Tim Smith indicated that I called her back. Three weeks later I called Barbara McCrimmon back out of concern she was very upset the first time she called me. Out of concern that a normal caring person has I called her back to make sure she was O.K.

Detective Sergeant Pat Hall indicates that there may be a problem with where statements were taken. Indicates that Neville and Edilson , lawyers for accused Charles MacDonald and Jacques Leduc are screaming for disclosure.

Inspector Tim Smith wanted to know where my notes prior to 1996 were. Policeman are expected to take notes. I reminded him that I was off on stress for three years and there were days that I didn't even wash my face or get off the couch.

Detective Sergeant Pat Hall wants to know about the bankers box. He indicates, that it has been said I handed over a bankers box to Attorney General and Ontario Civilian Commission on Police Services. I stated that I had given Four volumes of evidence material in four separate binders, plus a video and a cover letter.

I could not believe it when Inspector Tim Smith indicated that the Ontario Provincial Police did not receive anything from the Solicitor General's office or the Attorney General's office.

Inspector Tim Smith indicated that the only book he had was the original single volume that I had forwarded to Chief Fantino.

I then realized why on September 23rd 1997 Detective Sergeant Pat Hall was

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upset at me for not handing materials over before my counsel was contacted. Detective Sergeant Pat Hall had not been provided with all the material.

It was now clear at this meeting. The Attorney General's Office as well as the Solicitor General's Office, did not forward the material to the assigned investigators the OPP. I had hand delivered the material in April 1997. It was now July 1998.

I remember saying in the office, "This is unbelievable." Here they were nagging me about lawyer Jacques Leduc, if I had any notes on his victims and they had not even received the package from The Attorney General or the Solicitor General. It had been over a year since I had forwarded the package received receipts and written confirmation from two out of the three offices that were made aware of these allegations.

When I replicated the package I asked Detective Sergeant Pat Hall to sign a receipt stating the Ontario Provincial Police did not get the full package of material I had supplied to the Attorney General's office/Solicitor General's office.

It was indicated that the original book, that I had sent to Chief Fantino, had been broken down into 168 assignments by O.P.P. investigators. The information that I had sent Chief Fantino was forwarded to the Ontario Provincial Police.

Indications were that the investigation has taken the O.P.P. investigators across Canada and into the United States of America. Inspector Tim Smith indicated his background as the lead investigator at Alfred and Prescott.

The two mentioned towns are located in close proximity to Cornwall. Both of these towns were focal points of large police and C.A.S. investigations involving child sexual abuse with multiple victims and multiple perpetrator.

It should be noted that a lot of boys that were incarcerated at Alfred came from the Cornwall area.

I recall one of the victims indicating to me that when the Classical College closed around 1970, some of the brothers and priests went to Alfred and some went to Montreal.

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Inspector Tim Smith indicates he has three suits against him, launched by the Catholic Church, in relation to investigating sexual assault crimes.

Inspector Tim Smith indicates that D.S. is uncontrollable. Inspector Tim Smith indicates that the press call every day to inquire about charges.

I ask what about the death threats made against my family. He indicates that we need corroboration. There was only one witness in the room, need a third party witness with credibility. I said Malcolm MacDonald has a Criminal Record.(during this investigation Malcolm went on to be charged and convicted of obstruct justice in the original $32,000 dollar deal and charged with indecent assault on a young person.) The other person in the room alleged to have been talking about killing myself, my wife and children was Father Charles MacDonald. The final person in the room was Ken Seguin who committed suicide not long after the three were said to have had this meeting.

Inspector Tim Smith indicated that it has been sent to an outside Crown Attorney. This outside Crown Attorney will take a look at the case and advise. Smith indicates that some of the witnesses are suspects. I have since learned that the outside crown was Robert Pelletier.

Inspector Tim Smith indicates that some good creditable witnesses have come forward with regard to allegations of sexual assault. We now have lawyers and professionals not just ordinary victims or the usual victims.

I told Inspector Tim Smith that I have been treated like the bad guy for five years.

Inspector Tim Smith indicates that he is the investigator that will be looking into the allegations of cover-up and obstruct justice on the part of The Cornwall Police Service and the Catholic Church.

THE DATE HERE WAS 23 JULY 1998 

Inspector Tim Smith wants to know if I can replicate the material that I sent to the Solicitor General and Attorney General within two weeks. Inspector Tim Smith wants to know if I can speak to my wife about the press issue.

Arraignments are made that I will have copies made and forwarded to the Ontario Provincial Police by the 7th of August 1998.

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27th July 1998 - Working to prepare brief for Project Truth. Nothing has been forwarded by the Solicitor General's office or the Attorney Generals's office.

28th July 1998 - Copied volumes for the O.P.P.

11th August 1998 - Lawyer forwards material to M.P.P. Garry Guzzo.

17th September 1998 - 11:50 met Detective Sergeant Pat Hall give him material, get him to sign a waiver. Told him about the Ron Leroux video. He requests a copy.

25th September 1998 - Called Detective Sergeant Pat Hall. I indicate that I will have the video by Monday. He wants a paper signed.

1st October 1998 - Turn over copy of Ron Leroux tape to O.P.P. I did not sign their release on advice.

3rd December 1998 - Receive an unsolicited phone call from David Price of Nanaimo British Columbia. Indications are that his wife was a victim of child sexual assault, when she was a young child in Cornwall.

Gaining police trust is a major issue for the victim. See attached notes as well as correspondence from David Price. Details are sketchy but he indicates that his wife remembers men in blue uniforms mentions names of a couple of suspects.

Indicates ritual abuse. I do not speak to victim at this time. Indications are that the family moved out of Cornwall to get away from the haunting memories and death threats. I told him whatever help that I can be I will be.

18th December 1998 - David Price indicates that he has concern about our Service investigating the allegations. In no uncertain terms he and his wife do not trust the Cornwall Police.

 1999 

6th Jan 1999 - Meet with Detective Inspector Pat Hall. Helen , my wife was present at this meeting. Detective Inspector Pat Hall advised at this time that the Ontario Provincial Police will not be laying any charges in relation to the death threats made against our family. Detective Inspector Pat Hall indicates that the

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matter is further complicated by Ron Leroux claiming upon being asked if he felt the suspects were serious. His view were that these were the ranting and ravings of desperate men indicates he did not feel they were capable of conducting or ordering an execution.

Detective Inspector Pat Hall: " It would be contrary to public interest to pursue this matter."

I inquire as to getting the file. May get it through freedom of information. I ask for the name of the Crown who reviewed the file. Detective Inspector Pat Hail will not provide name. Detective Inspector Hall informs at this time that he is not investigating the obstruct justice by certain members of the Cornwall Police Service.

 I HAVE SINCE LEARNED THE CROWN DEALING WITH THE DEATH THREATS ISSUE WAS ROBERT PELLETIER. 

I inquire as to the pedophiles who have been identified through the investigation and who have not been charged. Detective Inspector Pat Hall indicates the briefs are complete and currently before the Crown Attorney in Toronto. I tell him that I have concerns for my wife and children's safety. He indicated that Ron Leroux has a problem with some dates and times.

Detective Inspector Pat Hall indicates the Crown makes the decisions. He only gathers the information. Detective Inspector Pat Hall:"Some people say I should not even meet with you."

11th February 1999 - David Price calls and indicates that his wife is working on her statement. Indications are of ritual abuse involving high profile people within the Cornwall community.

14th February 1999 - Bob Nazar phoned from Peace River, Alberta. Phone number XXXXXXXX. Information was that he originally resided in Cornwall Ontario. Indications from him was that there were wide spread allegations of sexual abuse in some local Cornwall hockey league in the 1950's 1960's. I did not take verbatim notes but he did mention the name "Killer Gagnon" to me throughout our conversation. He indicated that although he was not a victim several boys were. He sounded sincere and full of information. I mentioned Project Truth to him, I do not know if he got in touch. I believe he is a wealth of information that may be useful in this investigation. Bob Nazar said he had three

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brothers;John,Terry and Peter.

8th March 1999 - Ron Lemelin phoned my residence, He indicated to me that he had been sexually assaulted at the Classical College in Cornwall during the years of 1954-1957. He indicated that he would like to talk to me because he felt he could trust me.

10th March 1999 - Attended Sears One Water Street Cornwall. I had taken my girls for an ice-cream as they had just received their report cards.

By chance I met Jacques Verville, a young man that I had met years ago when I taught V.I.P. at Eastfront Public School. He indicated out of the blue that he was following in my footsteps with regards to the pedophile issue. He said he was a victim of Jean Luc Leblanc a bus driver and former teacher at NAV Canada (Transport Training Institute). He indicated that a friend of his, Adrian Tidbury was also a victim of sexual assault. He indicated that Tidbury had committed suicide in Edmonton Alberta as a direct result of being assaulted. He indicated that he had already been to project truth. He indicated that Malcolm MacDonald had also sexually assaulted him.

He seemed to be very happy to see me and very genuine. He is currently working at Sears as store security. He is in the process of becoming a Registered Nurse. He seems very focussed on his future as well as being aware of his past.

13th March 1999 - Press release that Ontario Provincial Police, Project Truth, will be investigating:"the possibility that Cornwall Police and the Catholic Church conspired to abort a probe into sexual abuse allegations after the complainant received hush money,..."

16th March 1999 - Spoke to Jacques Verville indicated that the exact date that Adrian Tidbury hung himself was 17 Dec 1997. He indicated that at the time he hung himself they were both going to tell the police about the abuse they had suffered while in Cornwall. He indicated that Adrian was very scared about coming forward, and the entire incident had driven him to take his life. Jacques Verville indicated that Adrian had a wife and a small child at the time of his death. Jacques mentioned there were other pedophiles at St. Lawrence High School, but did not provide names or details. I did not push him on this issue as I knew he had already gone to Project Truth and spoken to them.

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17th Mar 1999 - Spoke to Jacques Verville. He indicated that he told Cornwall Police almost eight years ago about the sexual assault perpetrated on him. Indications were that the Cornwall Police Service were very ignorant towards him. Dropped off a letter at my residence.

The letter was from Jean Luc Leblanc.

5th April 1999 - Served a subpoena, Roch Landry trial, by Detective Joe Dupuis. Attend Court in Cornwall on the 6t" of April 1999.

6th April 1999 - Day shift front desk. Subpoena to Alexandria court. Attend Alexandria and meet with Crown Attorney Shelley Hallett and Alain Godin. I am advised that there is a motion before the court that Defence Counsels, Don Johnston and Tilton Donihee are making arguments on behalf of their respective clients with regards to disclosure of the package that I sent to the Attorney General as well as the Ontario Civilian Commission on Police Services. They are indicating that they want the entire package.

Crown Attorney's argue there is no evidence that concerns their clients.

Judge Renaud indicates he will read entire package and render a decision as to disclosure.

Judgement the following morning is "No", the defence will not get disclosure of the package.

7th April 1999 - 0:905 hrs I was in the report room at Police Headquarters and Inspector R. Trew attended. He hand delivered me an internal correspondence. He indicated I was to meet with him tomorrow, and that" It was no big deal."

Here are the contents of the internal correspondence that will be attached to this will state.

Internal correspondence

To:                    Constable Perry Dunlop, "D" Team

From:                 Inspector R. W. Trew, Administration

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Subject:  Media Statements Attributed To You . January 17, 1999-CBC Radio Broadcast; and February 9 , 1999 - CBC Television Broadcast.

Date:   April 7, 1999

I would ask that you attend my office on Thursday , April 8th next at 11:00 A.M.

I am aware of recent media interviews in which you have participated with your wife and solicitor regarding matters connected to the Cornwall Police Service.

Specifically, during your interviews with both CBC Radio and Television, you made comments to the effect that you are not being provided with proper back-up by your fellow officers while on duty. You have suggested to the media that you are concerned for your personal security while on patrol as a result of this lack of support. This organization is concerned with the health and safety of its officers and it is in this regard that I wish to review this issue with you.

The issue of officer safety and the lack thereof is a serious allegation which must be assessed at the organizational level. I would ask that you come to this meeting prepared to discuss this issue in detail and to provide me with particulars which illustrate your concern. I am open to any suggestions that you may have by which our Service may assist you in performing your duties more confidently. This issue affects not only yourself but all members of the Service and the public as well.

I would also like to bring to your attention your mandatory obligations as a Cornwall police Officer under Media Directive No. 59. You and all members of the Cornwall Police Service are required to adhere to this directive. If you have any questions regarding this policy, I would be pleased to discuss them with you.

R.W. Trew

Inspector

I receive a second Internal correspondence the following day.  

Internal correspondence

To:                Constable Perry Dunlop, "D" Team 

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From:            Inspector R. W. Trew, Administration

Subject:        Media Statements Attributed To You. January 17,

                      1999-CBC Radio Broadcast; and February 9 , 1999 –

                     CBC Television Broadcast.

Date:             April 8, 1999

I am aware of recent media interviews in which you have participated with your wife and solicitor regarding matters connected to the Cornwall Police Service. We would like to bring to your attention your mandatory obligations as a Cornwall Police Officer under Media Directive No. 59, a copy of which is attached for your information and assistance. We require you and all members of the Cornwall Police Service to adhere to this Directive.

R.W. Trew

Inspector

I receive a third Internal correspondence the same day.  

Internal correspondence

To:             Constable Perry Dunlop, "D" Team

From:         Inspector R. W. Trew, Administration

Subject:      Media Statements Attributed To You. January 17,

                   1999-CBC Radio Broadcast; and February 9 , 1999

                   - CBC Television Broadcast.

Date:          April 7, 1999

I am aware of recent media interviews in which you have participated with your wife and solicitor regarding matters connected to the Cornwall Police Service.

Specifically, during your interviews with both CBC Radio and Television, you made comments to the effect that you are not being provided with proper back-up by your fellow officers while on duty. You have suggested to the media that you are concerned for your personal security while on patrol as a result of this lack of support. This organization is concerned with the health and safety of its officers and it is in this regard that I wish to review this issue with you.

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The issue of officer safety and the lack thereof is a serious allegation which must be assessed at the organizational level. I would ask that you come to this meeting prepared to discuss this issue in detail and to provide me with particulars which illustrate your concern. I am open to any suggestions that you may have by which our Service may assist you in performing your duties more confidently. This issue affects not only yourself but all members of the Service and the public as well.

I ask that you provide me with a response by Wednesday, April 14, 1999.

R.W. Trew

Inspector

I corresponded with the Inspector regarding the above mentioned internals. I also sought direction from my Police Association as well as Legal Counsel.

I was given a transcript of the CBC Radio Interview as well as a VHS copy of the Pamela Wallin Show.

On April 19, 1999 I sent a letter to Inspector Trew stating the following:

In response to the highlighted portion of the transcript from an interview with CBC Radio this past January, I was explaining to the interviewer about how I felt shortly before I took sick leave for job related stress.

Further, upon reviewing the tape of the Pamela Wallin Show, I said nothing improper.

Inspector Trew, I need to know what position the organizational level is taking regarding this specific correspondence as I will be seeking the guidance and assistance from my Association.

I ask that you provide me with a response by Monday, April 26, 1999.

I never received any further correspondence.

All of the correspondence relating to the above internals are attached to this document.

(Book Three - Tab 8) 

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7th April 1999 - Spoke to Ron Lemelin at the Ramada inn. Indications were that he attended Classical College in Cornwall from September 1954 until February 1958. He was sexually assaulted by a priest, Father Jean Primeau over three hundred times. He would have been between the ages of 12-16 years old. Indications were that he stayed on site at the Classical College. There were two or three dorms with one hundred boys per dorm. He indicated that the College was still under construction when he first attended. I taped the interview. The tape has been provided to the Ontario Provincial Police, Project Truth. He indicated that he had been wanting to speak with me for some time now and it felt good to get it out in the open.

I did not take a formal statement, but he did provide me with something that he had written down. He indicated that others spoke of the abuse and the priests that were abusing. Indicates there are many victims from the Classical College. I have included all of my material from Ron Lemilin at tab 45, with the exception of my notes which will be included in this package.

Also during the time period of April 7th 1999, I was advised that I would be receiving a Human Rights Award from the Vancouver Island Human Rights Coalition. I sent a letter to the office of the Chief of Police of Cornwall asking for two days leave. I indicated the reason for the leave, as well as including the media release on the subject.

13th April 1999 - I received a letter from Inspector Trew advising that I should have made my request to my immediate supervisor. Also he advised that as I was receiving this award in my personal capacity, that I attend in civilian attire.

16th April 1999 - I received a letter from Kurt Fraser, the President of the Cornwall Police Association addressed to the Chief of Police. The letter was cc to my attention as well as the Cornwall Police Services Board.

22nd April 1999 - the Chief responded to Kurt Fraser's letter.

23rd April 1999 - I again sent a letter to the Chief. I received no further response from his office.

May 1999 - I received an award from the Vancouver Island Human Rights coalition. I attended Victoria, British Columbia. During my visit I got the chance to speak with Dave and Shelley Price. At the time Shelley was working on a 

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hand written statement detailing alleged sexual assaults committed against her as a child in Cornwall. Both David and Shelly seemed very sincere and genuine. It is my understanding that David Price worked for the City of Cornwall in some capacity. It is my understanding that they moved from Cornwall to get away from the haunting memories and death threats.

I have since received correspondence from the Price residence. These letters are self explanatory.

During the summer of 1999 I received a transcript of an interview conducted by the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation. The interview will be tabbed as an exhibit. Here are some excerpts

Ted Carney is being interviewed.

Ted Carney: " I remember the first time I was on probation... was for break and enter ... we were 12 or 14 ...that's when I first met Ken Seguin he was my probation officer. And he started molesting me about two weeks after my second appearance in probation. ....I knew a lot of guys on probation and a lot of them are fucked up now - like they're doing life in and out of the pen... shoot' dope or drinking heavily or gambling or other escapes.... and I even got molested in the police station when the fuckin probation office was in the police station - by Ken Seguin....) met Malcolm MacDonald, I think Kenny Seguin gave me his name...I remember seeing those guys around together - I remember seeing Shaver. There was another guy too - the guy who owns the funeral home   Wilson he owns a funeral home...and I always thought he had something to do with those guys.

I remember going to a fucking cottage somewhere up on the St. Lawrence River there somewhere near Hamilton's Island - and he was there. There was a bunch of young guys - probation guys - Kenny was there. I can't remember how I got there was on probation at the time."

Question: "didn't you wonder about being there with a lawyer and your probation officer?"

Ted Carney: " yes I did but then I thought holy fuck, man, this is alright - y'know and then another time I was there - or was it another spot...and Shaver was there and I remember seeing him and wondering what the fuck's he doing here -

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isn't he the Chief of Police?"

Question: "What went through. your mind when you saw the Chief of Police sifting there?"

Ted Carney: " y'know what went through my mind is holy fuck, if I get busted again maybe I can use this against him, y'know what I mean? Hey man, drop the charges or I'll rat you off - y'know I mean I guess I was kinda obtaining my own power out of it.

I remember going to Tim Horton's Donuts on Brookdale... Wilson was sitting there with Shaver, Malcolm, and Kenny - all sitting around the table and they used to always sit at that fuckin table and that's when I said Jesus fuck man these guys really hang thick y'know. I believe there was a ring, I believe they were, they were always together - they were so together they knew each other what each other was doing..."

10th January 2000 - 19:00 - I was paraded for duty, night shift. While in the locker room, A/Sgt P. Pilon stated that Inspector Rick Carter would like to see me in his office. I attended the second floor and went in to Inspector Carter's office. Staff Sergeant Derouchie was also present. I was handed an internal correspondence and advised to read it.

This Order is located at the front of this Will state 

Derouchie: 

" We want to talk to you tonight about disclosure, about Project Truth, Marcel Lalonde. We want to put this to rest for once and for all. We have proposed numerous orders."

"I have held nothing back. I think they are using me as a scapegoat, as the horse they can pound in this whole issue. I have given them everything I have except for personal/civil matter material that my lawyer has advised me what to give and what not to give. I have held nothing back that has anything to do with criminal prosecution, and I would not get in the way of that. Should that be deemed by a court then I guess I will face charges. This is pretty tiring for me too."

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Derouchie:

"Having said that let's read this over."

Dunlop: 

"I would like someone else to read this over because I have a couple of problems, with a couple of things here. There are people who come to me because they do not trust Project Truth/ or police. They will only speak to me. I can't stop people from coming to my door."

Derouchie:

"That's the problem Perry you are placing yourself in a bad position. Speaking to victims. Witnesses can't talk to other witnesses. The crown is concerned."

Dunlop: 

"This is not a court of law - but you know when people come to see me, they don't want to talk about the case, they just want someone they trust to talk about life."

Derouchie:

 "It is possible you may be dispatched to a call and this issue comes up. You may have to take the initial complaint,"

Dunlop: 

"I have a problem in that the reason that I did not get the Sexual Assault/ Child abuse position was Murray MacDonald does not trust me and thinks I'm a liar. I would like to get this issue resolved."

"We are not dealing with that issue at this time."

Dunlop: 

"Someone is going to have to deal with it."

Carter:

" You filed a grievance to deal with this issue."

Dunlop:

"So you want me to turn over everything to the Cornwall Police. I would like my lawyer to read this. What is our Police Service position on this?"

Derouchie: 

"As Inspector Trew said you have been a police officer all along."

Dunlop: 

"Do they believe that I am holding some sort of trump card."

Derouchie: 

"Yes they believe you are withholding evidence and

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meddling in the investigation. The prosecution fears they may loose the case."

Dunlop:

 "It's a way out for them."

Derouchie: 

Speaks about some evidence from 19 Nov...

Dunlop:

I inquire about replication of material already provided.

"So full disclosure and that should be it. I will tell you both gentlemen that I do not fear taking the stand. I went against Lalonde's lawyer at pre-trial. He had nothing. The issue was incremental disclosure. I had very little to do with Marcel Lalonde. We will cross that bridge when we get to it. I do not feel that I am holding anything back. I would like nothing more than to hand the ball off. I have been trying-for years."

17th January 2000  

08:00- Report for duty

10:00-sign order, I ask to see the correspondence from the Crowns pertaining to their position as it concerns me. I want to see what is being stated by the Crowns and or Defence Counsel. I am told that I will been shown that information.

Check OMMPAC re Marcel Lalonde. Six victims are registered. I have had contact with one. The exception of D.S.

11:20-Inspector Pat Hall calls wants to interview me at the Best Western 18 Jan 2000 at 08:30 re investigation into Cornwall Police and Catholic Church allegations of conspiracy and cover-up. I check with Inspector Carter and he indicates O.K.

Hall indicates that Project Truth is in its final phase of investigation and they have some questions for me.

11:35-I phone Hall back to advise him about a victim that I directed towards them. I give his name and advise I did not take statement.

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18th January 2000 -08:00 - Report for duty

-08:30 - Best Western Parkway Inn meet Detective Inspector Pat Hall and Detective Constable Joe Dupuis. Informed that they are conducting an investigation into allegations of cover-up and conspiracy between the Cornwall Police Service and the Catholic Diocese of Cornwall in relation to the allegations of child sexual assault.

I am given a list of 44 questions. I state that I am currently preparing a 'Will State' that will answer most of their questions. I indicated I have been ordered to prepare a detailed will state. I request that during future interviews that I can have a witness present. Indications are: "No problem, anyone you want." Told them my family is in fear for my safety, and I want to make sure our town is safe. I read the questions over and retained a copy.

Report for duty - meet Inspector Carter - request to attend Staples for supplies - he indicates to ask one of the secretaries for supply order. Carter indicates do not use the phones in CIB. If I have to use the phone use the one downstairs. CIB desks are for CIB members only. I ask him about the construction noise. He indicates: "too bad."

20th January 2000  

Report for duty -

In order that I comply with the order I ask Constable Derosiers from the Sexual assault unit for a copy of the will state that I provided him in relation to the Marcel Lalonde case, along with a copy of the notes that I provided him with. A few minutes later I see Desrosiers with Inspector Carter. I then meet Constable Desrosiers in the photocopy room and he provides me with a copy of my statement. On his way past the room I ask him about my notes that I provided him. He said: someone higher than him told me not to give you the notes.

I asked Rene not to talk in riddles, who told you not to give me the notes.

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