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Inquiry's final submissions heard, sessions wrap up     

Cornwall Standard Freeholder     

28 February 2009

Posted By MICHAEL PEELING

   

After three years the Cornwall Public Inquiry has come to an end.

 

But the recommendations made as a result of its healing phase (known as Phase 2) by community groups expressed a common hope the inquiry's legacy would live on in the form of permanent victim support services.

 

Parties also expressed a desired to see a memorial to victims created and apologies issued from the perpetrators of abuse and the groups whose ignorance, actions and lack of actions allowed abuse to occur.

 

Of the eight parties which made submissions for Phase 2 of the inquiry, two chose not to deliver them orally to Commissioner Normand Glaude - the Ministry of Community Safety and Correctional Services and the Upper Canada District School Board.

 

On behalf of the Coalition [sic] for Community Renewal (CCR), lawyer Juda Strawczynski expressed the group's wish that Phase 2 efforts will continue to foster a "socially inclusive" environment in the community so that adults who were victims of abuse as children don't feel excluded from society, regardless of their social status or sexual orientation.

 

CCR's recommendations for Phase 2 emphasized improving the protection of children as well as new legislation that would result in apologies to sexual abuse victims from the Mayor of Cornwall, the Bishop of Alexandria-Cornwall, the Premier of Ontario and citizens of Cornwall.

 

"A memorial will remind the people of Cornwall to keep up the work started by the inquiry," said Strawczynski. "There are those who were opposed to the inquiry because they believed it would reflect only the negative aspects of Cornwall, but denial of the events discussed here will not improve the image of the city. The incidents of sexual abuse explored in Phase 1 cannot be forgotten or minimized."

 

INQUIRY'S: from the front.

 

Coalition for Action lawyer Frank Horn felt it was especially important victims hear an admission of guilt and apology from the people who abused them.

 

"They have to be made to say, 'We're sorry for what we did,'" Horn said. "Otherwise, victims will continue to feel ostracized until there is an admission and apology. And only then can the victims say we didn't do anything wrong."

 

Victims Group lawyer Dallas Lee said counselling was a top priority for the victims he heard from, then urged Glaude to extend the counselling services provided by Phase 2 from 90 more days to three years, but went even further in the group's submissions.

 

"What happens to counselling services when the inquiry leaves town is of grave concern to my clients," Lee said. "The province needs to go further to set up permanent counselling."

 

Lee said the Men's Project, a local group which supports male victims of sexual abuse, deserves permanent funding and duplication provincewide.

 

Men's Project representative David Bennett said the findings and recommendations in Glaude's report should address the problem of institutional response to allegations of sexual abuse across the province because it is an issue "not particular to Cornwall."

 

However, he cautioned that the results of the inquiry won't serve as a cure-all for the ills caused by sexual abuse.

 

"It's unrealistic to expect the Cornwall Public Inquiry can make up for all of the abuse suffered," Bennett said. "If it can help one victim, we can say it was worthwhile."

 

Outside of the Men's Project, Bennett said there are no similar services available to male victims, while there are 39 centres for women.

 

"It's a shame there aren't several groups asked for more counselling services," Bennett said. "The Men's Project model is something that works. The Men & Healing approach has been adopted beyond our borders."

 

Men & Healing, a guidebook commissioned by the inquiry on theories, research and practices for working with men who have survived sexual abuse.

 

Bennett said he was disappointed to see the Ministry of the Attorney General has been slow to implement permanent counselling services for male victims across the province while it "studies what's out there."

 

Bennett echoed Strawczynski's idea that dealing with abuse should be treated as a public health issue, instead of a justice issue.

 

Ministry of the Attorney General representative Darrell Kloeze said the province has, in fact, funded close to a dozen counselling services, but only as pilot programs to see what works best in different communities.

 

Many of the submissions touched on concerns the current recession would result in many of the pieces necessary to implement recommendations made to Glaude not falling into place due to financial limitations.

  

 Cornwall Chief of Police Daniel Parkinson wanted to make part of the police service's Phase 2 submission, but was informed only a lawyer representing the service could speak on his behalf.

"I regret any unfair treatment or mistakes by Cornwall police officers that badly affected anyone who was courageous enough to come forward after years of carrying the heavy burden caused by sexual abuse," Parkinson said in a statement read by lawyer John Callaghan. "The Cornwall Community Police Service has learned from the mistakes of the past and is committed make Cornwall a safer place."

 

Glaude is expected to deliver the Cornwall Public Inquiry's final report by the end of July.

 

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Comments on this Article.


Well lets wait and see if anything positive will come out of this inquiry, I have my doubts but am willing to be patient to see what will happen. Lets see if the institutions involved in this have learned anything.I certainly hope that they have and will change there policies to better reflect on today's societies. 

Reply | Report | Page Top Post #1 By rkake,

So the Cornwall police force did nothing wrong right? Seems that the new police chief believes otherwise or he would not be apologizing. At least someone is man enough to admit something was wrong. 

Reply | Report | Page Top Post #2 By dodger,

Yes let's wait and see but let's not have to have a man ruin his career to bring it out into the open to have that done. 

Reply | Report | Page Top Post #3 By dodger,

I doubt if police chief Shaver would have ever admitted anything was wrong. 

Reply | Report | Page Top Post #4 By dodger,

Kudos to all involved and being brave enough to stand up during the inquiry. Healing takes a long time, but this is a step in the right direction. Remember, this is not unique to Cornwall, this kind of abuse has gone on, and does still go on all over the world. The brave people/victims of Cornwall that stood up are leaders in addressing this issue and thank you for doing so. Sending you all the very best with wishes of eventual peace and healing. 

Reply | Report | Page Top Post #5 By majekin,

I agree wholeheartedly majekin. 

Reply | Report | Page Top Post #6 By dodger,

Ditto, but don't forget the issues in Prescott that seem so far in the distant past and you're right about it going on all over this province partially helped and fueled by the negligence of the child protection services and Min fo C&Y to this very day!!!!!!!! 

Reply | Report | Page Top Post #7 By grimreaper_47,

such a general statement dodger, The Cornwall Police force. You are still painting a bunch of people with the same brush. 

Reply | Report | Page Top Post #8 By itinerant,

 Dodger, if you should find yourself short of paint, I've got gallons of spare paint (leaded!) that I'd be more than pleased to give you. As for paint brushes which the low-life is talking about, I've got about a dozen of them and about the same amount of paint rollers. Now if the low-life would like, I'd be more than pleased to give him a free paint job as oppossed to the blow jobs he appears to get such a thrill out of giving to others for free, or do you charge low-life? 

Reply | Report | Page Top Post #9 By booga-booga,

 itinerant I knew you would attack anything I said that made any sense was wondering when you show yourself. The new chief of police did the manly thing and apologized for what the police force failed to do in the first place which is exactly why Perry Dunlop had to do everything he did to bring things out in the open. So if the police did nothing wrong what is the chief apologizing for and also why did the CAS apologize if they did nothing wrong. Open your damn eyes and see the truth for what it is. 

Reply | Report | Page Top Post #10 By dodger,

 And by the way you sure have a big paintbrush when it comes to Perry Dunlop. He was the only one that did the right thing and brought the abuse to the attention of the CAS. 

Reply | Report | Page Top Post #11 By dodger,

  dodger it is just an observation, not an attack Why do they apologize? , Because so many people, will dam them no matter what they do. So in this case just sy your are sorry and move on. Perry followed the same procedures to expose this whole thing as the CAS did in your case. Only thing is one suits your belief while the other did not.

My paint brush only paints perry once and with one color, yellow Men if you could only articulate as well as you whine 

Reply | Report | Page Top Post #12 By itinerant

 Itineratn, you don't know a damn thing about observing but are the King of B.S. when it comes to attacking only you aren't any good at that more than you are any good at anything else that takes brains and a heart. Sorta like the "Straw man and the Tin Man" out of the Wizard of Oz or would you be the "Wicked Witch of the West"? But then that would be a "slam" on a perfectly good book. And by the way Rant, you still didn't answer my post when you said my "troup group" wasn't in Viet Nam when I said I was there and then did an "about face" when you stated that I was probably abusing when I was in Viet Nam. OK hypocrite, which is it? 

Reply | Report | Page Top Post #13 By grimreaper_47

 Perry is the least cowardly man in the world at least he stood up wholeheartedly for what he believed in he did not hide behind lawyers. And as for my case you don't know the first thing about my case buddy you just think you do.  

Reply | Report | Page Top Post #14 By dodger

 You keep on defending the guilty and ignore the truth all you want.  

Reply | Report | Page Top Post #15 By dodger,

 Easy for you to call Perry a coward when you hide behind a nickname online bet you would not have the guts to do that to the man's face you cowardly bastard. 

Reply | Report | Page Top Post #16 By dodger,

 I hide behind a nickname also so I am not persecuted online by you know who. 

Reply | Report | Page Top Post #17 By dodger 

Dodger, this is Dave Witzel here and let me tell you that Itinerant not only doesn't know a damn thing about your case, but he also doesn't know a damn thing about my case. All he knows how to do is "BAIT" people to try and get them pissed off and it sometimes works, but hey the world sees that little weasel for what he is (sorry to the weasel family of the animal kingdom!) a sorry, pathetic excuse for a human being with absolutely NO HUMANITY. Take it away you piss poor excuse for a man ooooooooooooooooor are you really a woman in drag cutie?

 

 Reply | Report | Page Top Post #18 By grimreaper_47

As for PERRY DUNLOP, Itnerant isn't even worth to carry PERRY DUNLOP'S jock strap to the cleaners as he probably wouldn't make because he'd be tooooooo interested in smelling it to see if he could ever be 1/4 of the man that PERRY DUNLOP was and IS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

Reply | Report | Page Top Post #19 By grimreaper_47,

Take it away you little weasel!!!!!! 

Reply | Report | Page Top Post #20 By grimreaper_47

Damn lol 

Reply | Report | Page Top Post #21 By dodger,

David now why would you insult weasels like that hehehe 

Reply | Report | Page Top Post #22 By dodger,

Oh Itinerant this is your last sentence of your statement (Men if you could only articulate as well as you whine) I guess you really are a woman when you say something like that but I guess that would be insulting women. 

Reply | Report | Page Top Post #23 By dodger,

 I am done for tonight till the next article about the inquiry then this crap starts all over as soon as I make a comment that the weasel disagrees with. 

Reply | Report | Page Top Post #24 By dodger,

Goodnight Gracy  

Reply | Report | Page Top Post #25 By dodger,

 Talk about a solution boy's. Too much mud slinging. No value 

Reply | Report | Page Top Post #26 By silentnomore,

Silentone, it sounds like you're talking about yourself or your "alter ego" with nothing to contribute. Take er away George (see Gracey) or is that too far back for you Itinerant, I mean 2Faced, I mean Silentone??? 

Reply | Report | Page Top Post #27 By grimreaper_47,

GEE, SOMEHOW, I GOT MORE :-( FACES COMPLIMENTS OF THE FREELOADER THAT DESTROYER OF FREE SPEECH. Say ADOLPH are the jackboots a struttin by ya givin you that one arm salute to you with that stupid looking haircut and goofy moustache or what. Seig Heil 

Reply | Report | Page Top Post #28 By grimreaper_47,

And you can also add some more sad faces to that as well you censorshipped filled *sshole!! 

Reply | Report | Page Top Post #29 By booga-booga,

And you can also add some more sad faces to that as well you censorshipped filled *sshole!! 

Reply | Report | Page Top Post #30 By booga-booga,

And you can also add some more sad faces to that as well you censorshipped filled *sshole!! 

Reply | Report | Page Top Post #31 By booga-booga,

Appears someone truly knows the freeloader for what it truly is, a local yokel rag that only speaks the truth the way they see it which is about as far away from reality as one could get eh CLAWD? 

Reply | Report | Page Top Post #32 By booga-booga,

So it would appear that some of my comments have offended the morals (as if the freeloader ever had any!)and they posted those good old sad faces to which I have only one thing to say to the Gestapo, F*CK-YOU!! 

Reply | Report | Page Top Post #33 By grimreaper_47,

So it would appear that some of my comments have offended the morals (as if the freeloader ever had any!)and they posted those good old sad faces to which I have only one thing to say to the Gestapo, F*CK-YOU!! 

Reply | Report | Page Top Post #34 By grimreaper_47,

dodger your ignorence is out again, Yes I already told him he was a chicken, in high school and at the pub in St Andrews. Only thing he and I have respect for each others opinion. Unlike you folks in here. 

Reply | Report | Page Top Post #35 By itinerant,

dodger and grimreaper

I know common sense is something hard for you to phantom, but read your posts. You are right, I do not know about your cases or do I give a crap nor does anyone else. The reasons for that are due to you associating everything wrong in life with your bad choices at that time.

The whole of Cornwall knew what was going on and is sick. That it is a type of post many of you have made in here, and most of you were here at that time. That means you are just as sick and demented like the rest of us, by your own words..
 Booger

You accused the paper three times in the same post of being news N@zi’s . You stated three times and the time stamp is the same for all of them 21 hours ago. “And you can also add some more sad faces to that as well you censorshipped filled *sshole!!”

How do you explain that conspiracy theory? It appears your server of the freeholder server had issues.  How much hatred do you people have that when innocent things happen you fabricate lies to feed your own anger. I think you all need as much help as the criminals If you live your lives the way you present yourselves in here it is no wonder things happen as they do.  Grimreaper you are entertaining if nothing else. You are the only one in here with an identity crisis. Assuming that 2 sides, silentone, and I are one in the same. Unfortunately like many other occasions you are again wrong. Unless you assume that by people thinking the same means we are one person, then you must be dodger, booger, speakout and grimreaper. Based on your own summations this must be true.
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You use movie names like Armegeddon, grimreaper, to try and intimidate. That is another sign of sanity issues as well you might want to have that looked at. You were so obvious with your incessant and obnoxious posts when you started using grimreaper. But why when I asked if you were the one and only Dave you denied it? Did you think that by hiding you could get the support you thought you deserved???
 

Reply | Report | Page Top Post #36 By itinerant

Oh say Itinerant, I saw Dave post his name, I never saw him deny it however, with the censorship that goes on in this thread, being compared to the "Gestapo" (to be correct!) is truly accurate. However, I have NEVER seen you give out your name and by the way, how is it that YOU would know that "“And you can also add some more sad faces to that as well you censorshipped filled *sshole!!”" if you had nothing to do with this thread. As for Armegeddon, that is referred to in the Bible and the movies used it! As for your judgement of anyone, that is indeed laughable as you do bait, egg people on and of course we can't forget that you have seemed to have appointed yourself judge, jury and hangman for whatever anyone says that you disagree with. YOU are the one who does not answer people's questions but instead rant on about whatever is your pet project for the day. One last thing, I have indeed checked out this Dave Witzel on "Google" regarding child abuse, CAS, Ontario Legislature, Justice Policy Committee, Social Policy Committee and many other things that he is involved in. So far, this Dave guy seems to one of the ONLY people on this thread that puts his name forward and it is easily available to be checked out and what he says is true even if he might approach it in a different way than many but it doesn't make him wrong, just different like every human alive is different. However YOU have hidden yourself and all you do is take "pot shots" at anyone with different opinions than you even if they're right and you're wrong, YOU JUST DON'T CARE, you just like to belittle others who actually HAVE done something. So Itinerant, I also notice an apology that this Dave made in the Letters to the Editor which for one thing proves to me and others just how much of a man he truly is. Too bad you weren't half the man that he is and he was abused, were you? And seeing as how you continue to run your mouth off, perhaps you could publish your name as he did! But then, that would be asking too much and I will await your answer to this comment to see if you answer to each and every point that I have made or will you go on the attack against me and not answer the questions as you usually don't? That way, we can all see the type of person you either are or aren't! 

Reply | Report | Page Top Post #37 By oacas,

here we go with the half the man again oacas, I cannotlower myself to be half of any man.
As for my name with all the attitudes and hatred in here tell me why I should post who I am? Trust you people, ~lol~ nobody in their right mind would do that after reading your closed minded self centerd inbred opinions.
 

Reply | Report | Page Top Post #38 By itinerant,

Well Itinerant, why should I have expected anything different and as far as MY self centered inbred opinions, all I have done is point out the obvious about YOU. As for trust, even with all (as you put it) attitudes and hatred in here, I would say that you brought it on yourself. Dave Witzel is also "in here" and speaks his piece whether people agree or disagree with either what he says or how he says it and to whom he says it to but HE still puts his name out there in spite of the attitudes and hatred. And like I pointed out towards the end of my letter, I was correct when YOU didn't answer my direct questions and then proceeded to go on a personal attack against me and I'm not even involved in this whole mess, I was just commenting on what I have been seeing for the last little while, that's all. And for this YOU attack ME, can you perhaps explain why you have chosen to attack me as I have done nothing to attack you other than to ask that my questions be answered by you, nothing more, nothing less. And for this you call ME and inbred? You seem to delight in what you do and it's obvious that the world that is involved in this thread can now see you for whatever it is that you are. As for your name, you seem to be quite comfortable slagging others by name and others have given you their names but insults from you just follow right along. When you do insult and slag others, at least you should be man enough to put your name out there as others who have nothing to fear and are telling the truth put their names out but you, I would hope that anyone from now on who is on this thread would treat you with the same disrespect that you pass on to others only you have not got either the decency nor the intestinal fortitude to either answer questions nor give out your name. You seem proud of how you write and what you write but yet don't have the courage to put your name out? The police are around to protect anyone who would bother you but, I don't expect anyone would as it would be just a waste of time and strength to do anything to or about you. However, seeing as how you live in Cornwall, I would expect that people who do know you would be appalled and ashamed to know the name of the person who writes such drivel and just attacks, attacks and calls people names and belittle them and hence you would be without friends, that is assuming you have any, which I would doubt as know-it-alls never do for long. So answer up there Mr. Itinerant or if anyone else knows this characters name, please post it so we can all "communicate" more fully with him. Thank you. 

Reply | Report | Page Top Post #39 By oacas,

um sorry oacas I didn't catch your name? as for people knowing me, ~l~ they only wonder why I waste my time arguiing with such people. You have turned so many away by your attitudes and antics you are right very few care they just want it done. You didn’t attack me let me repost perhaps you can maybe explain the meaning of this print. “well you censorshipped filled *sshole!!”"” This whole bit of shyte started because dodger accused the whole police force of being involved. I didn’t agree, then all you idiots began with the mud slinging. Read back unless truth scares you like it does for everyone else in here. You have to admit it is true as it is all here in black and white. I just followed the lead of dodger and grimreaper and now yourself. I looked your buddy up in the net and yep he did some good not on his own so read a lil deeper. Like re writing the CAS act, not much change in there from the original reading I tell ya. 

Reply | Report | Page Top Post #40 By itinerant,

Oh you got my name! As for Dave, he did a lot of good and on his own, he just reached out to others as well. He was the one who went to the Justice Policy Committee ON HIS OWN, read the Hansard Transcripts Aug 26/07 and read for yourself, HE was the one who went to the Ombudsman's office ON HIS OWN, HE was the one who went to the Minister of C&Y severaly times ON HIS OWN,HE was the one who went to CanadaCourtWatch and did presentations ON HIS OWN, HE was the one who went on marches down in Toronto to help the abused kids ON HIS OWN, HE was the one who took on the Hamilton Police ON HIS OWN and from what I've read, maybe you should get in touch with the Hamilton Spec and read some of the articles that have been published from him ON HIS OWN, get in touch with MPP Horwath and see what he has done for her ON HIS OWN. You Itinerant ONLY read what you think you want to believe, check it out again only this time read it slowly and carefully and you'll see just how wrong you are AGAIN! And by the way, just what keeps you from honestly answering questions and pose things that are so far away from the truth that it even makes YOU LOOK BAD as the way I see it, he has left his footprints far and wide that anyone can look up but so far there is absolutely NOTHING of any good that we can hear or see about you. Thank you. Recheck "Google" everybody and you will all see what a liar and word twister that this Itinerant really is, nothing but mouth! 

Reply | Report | Page Top Post #41 By oacas

And by the way Mr. Itinerant, I just checked back through the thread and the Inquiry and it was Dave Witzel who got in touch with Lead Commission Counsel Peter Engleman ON HIS OWN and it was Dave Witzel who also got in touch with Paul Scott of the CCR, ON HIS OWN and set his group up with an expert in Male Adult Victims of Childhood Sexual Abuse whose name if you read back was Mr. Jim Hall and this was done ON HIS OWN. The only problem there was that Mr. Paul Scott and his CCR fumbled the ball and didn't get in touch with Mr. Hall and this too was done by Dave Witzel ON HIS OWN! However, one of the only things that Dave Witzel DIDN'T DO ON HIS OWN was to NOT get in touch with this world renowned expert who travels all over Canada and the far North setting up these groups to help the elders and the abused Aboriginal children, THAT if you read back in the past thread was fumbled and forgotten about by your very own PAUL SCOTT AND THE CCR for well over a year. And that's when the CCR held that meeting for the abused individuals and NOBODY but the CCR and some of their people showed up, not ONE SINGLE ABUSED PERSON SHOWED UP except for one abused person who was working with the group. Read all the way back Mr. Itinerant because I just checked and re-checked MY facts which is more than I can say for you and he doesn't even live in Cornwall and yet Dave Witzel went out of his way to help the adults who were abused decades ago and this is the thanks you and your people give him? Why would ANYONE EVER WANT TO HELP THE TOWN OF CORNWALL if this is the thanks people like you give him? YOU SIR ARE A DISGRACE TO THE HUMAN RACE AND I WOULD HOPE THAT HE NEVER CONTRIBUTES OR TRIES TO HELP CORNWAL AND THEIR ABUSED IN ANY WAY FROM NOW ON, but unfortunately HE isn't that kind of MAN! I certainly would have given up on your lot a long, long time ago. Just a thought, were you one of the abusers and is that the reason that you're carrying on the way you are because from all appearances, that's what it's beginning to look like Mr. Itinerant! Thank you. 

Reply | Report | Page Top Post #42 By oacas,

Holy crap I think you hit the nail right one the head!!!!!! 

Reply | Report | Page Top Post #43 By dodger

Dodger, I thank you for your support in my writing, it's much appreciated and respected and if I do say so myself, I think YOU are right as well! As for Post #'s 37, 39,41 and 42, they all apply to any and all who have any doubts about the good that Dave Witzel has been doing and also the errors of Mr. Itinerant and his ways. If anyone does know this Mr. Itinerant, maybe you would be wise to report this character to the police as perhaps he might well be a suspect in the abuse of children in the past and who knows, maybe the present, you'd be doing everyone a favour, especially the abused kids! Thank you. 

Reply | Report | Page Top Post #44 By oacas,

Here you two go again,

Oacas, you hope nobody in Cornwall gets help and dodger praises your point. Incase you cannot remember “YOU SIR ARE A DISGRACE TO THE HUMAN RACE AND I WOULD HOPE THAT HE NEVER CONTRIBUTES OR TRIES TO HELP CORNWAL AND THEIR ABUSED IN ANY WAY FROM NOW ON,” Dodger lives in the same place he hopes does not get help. Do you people not see how poorly you present yourselves? As foe davey, I have no doubt he is trying to make change and cheers to him for his efforts, seriously. How many people other then yourselves would believe he has the ability to do anything by himself after how he presents himself in here? As for who abuses whom I think if we present the conversations displayed in here, well suffice it to say I am not worried in the least I just do not share your opinions in every case. Your posts show you have a lack of respect for yourselves and others. If you have that problem in here we can only assume your life is the same. In that case I am glad to provide you the ability to take your misdirected anger out on me and leave the kids and others alone  

Reply | Report | Page Top Post #45 By itinerant,

Yes it figures Mr. Itinerant, blame the messenger and everybody is wrong except YOU. You then proceed to and I quote: " As foe davey, I have no doubt he is trying to make change and cheers to him for his efforts, seriously." and then there is this from you post #36:""dodger and grimreaper
I know common sense is something hard for you to phantom, but read your posts. You are right, I do not know about your cases or do I give a crap nor does anyone else. The reasons for that are due to you associating everything wrong in life with your bad choices at that time.""! Also added to that is another quote in your post #40 from YOU Mr. Itinerant:""I looked your buddy up in the net and yep he did some good not on his own so read a lil deeper. Like re writing the CAS act, not much change in there from the original reading I tell ya."" and another quote from you in post #45 and again I quote:""How many people other then yourselves would believe he has the ability to do anything by himself after how he presents himself in here?"" On one hand in your post #45 You cheer this Dave for trying to make changes but prior to that, you take it upon YOURSELF to speak not only for yourself but for EVERYBODY else you talk about "not giving a crap" and then refer to everything that was wrong in his life was due to his bad choices at that time. I would suggest that you sir cannot to borrow a phrase (suck and blow) at the same time but you do indeed try and know you are trying to get out of that big hole that you have dug yourself into and are scrambling fast to try and get yourself out but also are failing in that like everything else you have been talking about. And just who do you think you are when you have the audacity to speak not only for yourself but for EVERYBODY?????? And then you proceed to question others who would believe he has the ability to do anthing by himself after how he presents himself in here. Well Mr. Itinerant, I would suggest that you slowly read my post #37 over again and check his references that I know that you have NOT read thoroughly or you would be thanking this Dave Witzel rather than slag him and toss stones at him and what he has tried to do. And why don't you read the Standard about the results of Paul Scott and the CCR and how they forgot about everything that he had already set up to help the abused, I mean HE found the resources and the people and set the CCR up with them and they were so concerned that they NEVER did get in touch with Jim Hall because I got in touch with Mr. Hall and even HE is mystified why nobody sought out his expertise with abused children and adults so, it's not only you that have issues but so does the CCR, the town of Cornwall and the abused who are missing out on a man who is constantly contacted by the Homewood, Bellwood and many other institutions and I got in touch with this Mr. Hall just yesterday. It would appear that he has just gotten back from a week long trip up in the Arctic Circle on Saturday and HE VERIFIES EVERYTHING THAT THIS Dave Witzel has done. Dave is also helping in a group in Toronto helping Adult Male Victims of Childhood abuse and has been at that since 2004 so unlike yourself, I HAVE DONE MY RESEARCH AND DONE IT WELL, I MIGHT ADD! It's too bad you don't take your blinders off and see that there are actually many others who are trying as hard as he to help absolute strangers in a town that he has no connection with but care about the abused and not some big mouth like yourself who attacks with great brain dead pleasure. As I said befor, I doubted that you would answer to ALL of my questions and that you would go on the attack and worst of all you take the greatest of pleasures in assuming that YOU Mr. Itinernat speak for not only yourself but EVERYBODY else on this thread. I find THAT to be truly the height of ignorance and perhaps a handy place to hide whatever it is that YOU FEEL GUILTY ABOUT. You talk and do nothing pro-active but are the greatest at being reactive at something about which you know NOTHING. And yes Mr. Itinerant, I did quote:"“YOU SIR ARE A DISGRACE TO THE HUMAN RACE AND I WOULD HOPE THAT HE NEVER CONTRIBUTES OR TRIES TO HELP CORNWAL AND THEIR ABUSED IN ANY WAY FROM NOW ON,”" but if you notice the first 9 words in that quote, they refer to YOU and the rest of the quote is my feelings as to why you and Your town don't deserve the help that Dave Witzel has been offering. Again you screw up the words because if you read in post's # 37, 39, 41 and 42 are self explanatory as to the help that he has tried to provide to ALL of the abused already. I just don't know why he bothers to waste his valuable time doing it and Dodger and James and a lot of others would also not only see but appreciate what he has both done and is doing to TRY to help the abused in Cornwall unlike yourself sir who takes the greates of delight in sitting on your *ss slagging people who have been tring to help unlike yourself who finds this thread as a source of enjoyment to see how many people you can upset and actually appears as if you are actually trying to drive whatever help that is being offerred away. Mr. Itinerant, If you only answer ONE SINGLE QUESTION FOR ME, I'D APPRECIATE IT, ""JUST WHAT IS IT THAT YOU HAVE DONE TO HELP THE ABUSED IN ANY WAY AND PLEASE PROVIDE SOME EVIDENCE OF IT AS DAVE WITZEL HAS DONE! And mouthing off on this thread is indeed NOT evidence of anything other than amplify the sounds and size of your big empty mouth! Thank you. And don't forget to "Google" only for your apparently narrow mind, hit "Google" and then hit the "Canada" tab and key in David Witzel, and then key in all of those places mentioned in posts #37 and 41 and then get back to me. Again, don't forget to list the ONE thing that you have done to help directly and if there are more which would surprise me, you can list that ONE too. Personally speaking, I don't know why Dave Witzel would work so hard for a town with whom he has no connections only to get the thanks that YOU don't give him and I still stand by my quote:""“YOU SIR ARE A DISGRACE TO THE HUMAN RACE AND I WOULD HOPE THAT HE NEVER CONTRIBUTES OR TRIES TO HELP CORNWAL AND THEIR ABUSED IN ANY WAY FROM NOW ON,”"" And I thank you again, that is if you have the abilities to get to the end of this rather long comment or Do you have someone reading it too you as others have pointed out?
 

Reply | Report | Page Top Post #46 By oacas,

By the way Mr. Itinerant, does your boss realize that you have just wasted the first 3 hours of the day that he/she pays you by being on this thread or is this just "part of the job"? 

Reply | Report | Page Top Post #47 By oacas,

So we are in agreement then Davey has done some good, how cool is that? You had to verify it with other people thus we are again in agreement not on his own….

Hey head way awesome

As for my boss yes they know, and are some of the people that cannot believe I actually engage conversation with people like you.   As for trying to intimidate me, it is never gonna happen sorry. I have nothing to prove, or hide 

Reply | Report | Page Top Post #48 By itinerant,

oh that just cost you $75 for 15 min consultation., plus meal $60/day, plus travel $25/day and hmm have to prorate lodging for the day $80.  So you might want to keep your posts short and concise.  

Reply | Report | Page Top Post #49 By itinerant


Yes I did have to verify it with other people, BUT and this is ONE BIG BUT, he did contact and arrange everything with these other people and it was his ideas and forward thinking and by the way you are right in a way in the fact that he was not on his own BUT he was the LEADER of these people who support both he and his work. As for your costs, my charges would be free as it costs me nothing to write on this thread so I'm not consulting with anyone and you are ripping off people if you charge $75 to entertain yourself, I sit and eat my own meals which I pay for and it sure as hell isn't $60 as you are ripping somebody off for that and as for travel, you're already at your keyboard which involves no travel as that's part of YOUR doing and as to lodging, you either have to pay for that at home anyway or you do it at work for which you have to be at anyway and I'm sure they don't pay you for your lodging at work either. And again you have provided a single answer to a single question. PEOPLE, YOU CAN NOW SEE EVEN MORE CLEARLY WHAT A JOKE THIS MR. ITINERANT IS SO MR. ITINERANT, THIS WILL BE THE LAST YOU HEAR FROM ME AS I HAVE BETTER THINGS TO DO WITH MY TIME OTHER THAN PLAY WORD GAMES WITH SOME MINDLESS, PATHETIC SHELL OF A SO-CALLED MAN! Thank you and good bye Mr. Itinerant, I'll leave you to others who might want to waste THEIR time with you!


PS And you're right, you do have nothing to prove as you have nothing of any value for the world to prove! 

Reply | Report | Page Top Post #50 By oacas,

 jees oacas, you keep arguing and for nothing. We now agree he did not do it all on his own and I did comment what he did was good. So we are in agreement again. How cool is this getting to be. I am not ripping anyone off; do you get paid for your breaks at work? Me too, I'm sorry I never knew it was a bad thing. I also get paid for lunch is that wrong too or just wrong cuz you do not.

I would love to compare jobs and responsibilities but it already appears you have an opinion and it is also prevalent only your opinion counts, in your opinion that is.

Come on just once try common conversation cuz what you are doing now in trying to intimidate me is way out of your league 

Reply | Report | Page Top Post #51 By itinerant,

Well, well, well, I see I haven't missed much since my sabbatical, it would appear. However, I am glad to see someone finally standing up to this Itinerant who has everything to say but nothing of any context. Congratulations to GrimReaper for the fine work that you have done as I too have looked up your references and they are as you say. OACAS, congratulations on putting Itinerant in his place although he probably wouldn't understand that that is exactly what you have done, he's been asking for it for a long time as it's been a while since I was last on here and he still remains the same, PATHETIC! Dodger, both you and James should both be commended for not only putting up with a whatever he is and also taking a stand against his abuse of this thread and the people on it. I see too that his writing is very familiar with some of the other at least 2 aliases that I've seen so I would assume they are Itinerant as well only spelled different only just as ignorant. Well good luck and I'll be leaving you all soon and drop in later in a month or two to see that things are just the same as they were a month or two ago. Why oh why would anyone of any intelligence want to even talk with him(Itinerant) who sounds like he just came out of his cave and is still dragging his knuckles on the ground and grunting instead of speaking. Say Itnerant, you wouldn't be the missing link that Charles Darwin was talking about are you, as you seem to have the same lack of intellect but the grunts do sound familiar or so says Science! 

Reply | Report | Page Top Post #52 By jacksback4good,

Well, well, well, I see I haven't missed much since my sabbatical, it would appear. However, I am glad to see someone finally standing up to this Itinerant who has everything to say but nothing of any context. Congratulations to GrimReaper for the fine work that you have done as I too have looked up your references and they are as you say. OACAS, congratulations on putting Itinerant in his place although he probably wouldn't understand that that is exactly what you have done, he's been asking for it for a long time as it's been a while since I was last on here and he still remains the same, PATHETIC! Dodger, both you and James should both be commended for not only putting up with a whatever he is and also taking a stand against his abuse of this thread and the people on it. I see too that his writing is very familiar with some of the other at least 2 aliases that I've seen so I would assume they are Itinerant as well only spelled different only just as ignorant. Well good luck and I'll be leaving you all soon and drop in later in a month or two to see that things are just the same as they were a month or two ago. Why oh why would anyone of any intelligence want to even talk with him(Itinerant) who sounds like he just came out of his cave and is still dragging his knuckles on the ground and grunting instead of speaking. Say Itnerant, you wouldn't be the missing link that Charles Darwin was talking about are you, as you seem to have the same lack of intellect but the grunts do sound familiar or so says

Science! Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm I see things haven't changed much with the censorship as I have tried to post this 3 times and it hasn't taken yet so, I'll just copy it to thecornwallinquiry.ca and maybe you will all see what I have said! 

Reply | Report | Page Top Post #53 By jacksback4good,

Hmmmmmmmmm, again it wouldn't take, is that your doing Itinerant and like the post #52 & 53, I'll forward this to the Inquiry like I did 52 & 53, should make for some good reading there! Well, here goes number 3 try, I see the I.T. issues still haven't been fixed it would appear.

Aha, the cave dweller returns again! Well, the way I read oacas's posts and I too researched this Dave person and what you say that you agree with that Dave did not do it all on his own is a falsehood and you know it with the twisting of your words STILL. Do you ever know how to speak straight, what this Dave person did was LEAD these people, in other words they were HIS ideas and HE brought in the other people who supported him and from the looks in the Google, he could well have done it WITHOUT any of those other peoples help. Just what have you done Itinerant other than not answer questions and twist your statements? As for anyone "intimidating" you, you're out of line there too, they are just stating the truth and you take offence to the truth being stated about you and it seems like there are a LOT of people who think that way other than GrimReaper, Dodger, James and oacas who I think did quite the marvelous job of putting you in your place but then again and I'll quote a few others when I state the obvious, when they say, you're too stupid to get it! And that's just quote I have read time and again which if anyone else read will find it to be true. 

Reply | Report | Page Top Post #54 By RealityChecker,

Hmmmmmmmmm, again it wouldn't take, is that your doing Itinerant and like the post #52 & 53, I'll forward this to the Inquiry like I did 52 & 53, should make for some good reading there! Well, here goes number 3 try, I see the I.T. issues still haven't been fixed it would appear.

Aha, the cave dweller returns again! Well, the way I read oacas's posts and I too researched this Dave person and what you say that you agree with that Dave did not do it all on his own is a falsehood and you know it with the twisting of your words STILL. Do you ever know how to speak straight, what this Dave person did was LEAD these people, in other words they were HIS ideas and HE brought in the other people who supported him and from the looks in the Google, he could well have done it WITHOUT any of those other peoples help. Just what have you done Itinerant other than not answer questions and twist your statements? As for anyone "intimidating" you, you're out of line there too, they are just stating the truth and you take offence to the truth being stated about you and it seems like there are a LOT of people who think that way other than GrimReaper, Dodger, James and oacas who I think did quite the marvelous job of putting you in your place but then again and I'll quote a few others when I state the obvious, when they say, you're too stupid to get it! And that's just quote I have read time and again which if anyone else read will find it to be true. Oh I see, it's just like a game of baseball, only it's not 3 strikes and you're out because unlike baseball, you go into the 2nd inning and then the 3rd etc and in this thing, I've posted this probably 6 times and it won't even post nor will it let me go to page number 2 or 3. To borrow a phrase that's appropriate, "the more things change, the more things stay the same" and now I can fully understand why the child abuse went on for so many decades. Say, I wonder if anyone at the Freeholder was involved in any of that in a bad way, just wondering, that's all. It seems mighty suspicious with all of the games being played by this paper. How about you citizens of Cornwall, aren't you just so proud to get "not the news" but instead get the news the way they want you to get it, be it the truth or not? C'mon, vote with your wallet and don't buy this trash they call a newspaper, I'd refer to what someone said about the Gestapo but George Bush is our modern day dictator who learned how to kill and torture innocent people after he bombed innocent civilians and then blamed everyone else for it! 

Reply | Report | Page Top Post #55 By jacksback4good

There you go Itinerant, you can now attack me and prove to everyone in the town of Cornwall just what kind of piece of work you are, or AREN'T! Trouble is though, I won't be hanging around and I truly believe someone or many someones in town know you and my it must be amazing to imagine so many people LOOK DOWN ON YOU and then of course they'll be talking behind your back because talking to someone who thinks he knows it all becomes rather redundant! Have a good day! I wonder how many times it will take for this to post, but not to worry, this too is being sent to the Inquiry, if there is something I know about myself, it's that I'm a quick learner, too bad you weren't Itinerant! 

Reply | Report | Page Top Post #56 By jacksback4good,

Welcome back and why the name change again? You seem to have identity issues. I hope reality is a little better Like I told oacas, quit trying to get a stir and intimidation, I am above that shyte. Sorry no go here you are fighting a loosing cause. It may come from reading all the negativity and lack or personal respect so many of you show for others in here. But so long as it is me you are focusing all your abuse at me, I am sure all the other people in your life are at peace and the streets are safe 

Reply | Report | Page Top Post #57 By itinerant,



~l~ all this because I did not agree with dodger, blaming everyone in the police force for what happened. How you abusive and unfortunate people must be outside of writing in here. It scares me to think of how you are in real life, or how meaningless life is to you such that you can hate so much. You are no better then the people you accuse. One of you said something to the effect of my afterlife being in hell due to my choices. You all suffer from one of the seven deadly sins known as wrath, a strong vengeful anger or indignation often clouding judgment. I guess we will meet in hell. If you listen to constructive criticism, you will be at home among the wise.  

Reply | Report | Page Top Post #58 By itinerant,

Rant, I only wished I would have met you in the "Nam" where strange things happened, like the pull of the pin of a grenade, BOOM! Bye-bye you and bye-bye evidence! Commonly called "fragging" only it was done by our own to our own to solve a problem that HAD the potential to harm the rest of us! Just fond memories of the past of course! 

Reply | Report | Page Top Post #59 By grimreaper_47,

I cant beleive the stupidity in Cornwall. Abusive and obnoxious behaviour. It would be unsafe to reveal one identity to you bozo's. Open your minds and close your loud mouths.Fear mongering morons. See antone can sling garbage like you clowns. Itinerant why do you waste your time talking to these A holes Enough for now  

Reply | Report | Page Top Post #60 By silentnomore

 Speaking to yourself again silentone?? Do you think that anyone would have wasted 1 piece of metal adjoined to a coil of 750 serrated pieces of steel wrapped around some H.E.(high explosives) which in turn was blown when the spoon which activated the blasting cap which set off the explosion when the pin was pulled but then ask Rant, I wasn't in the Nam as he said but then he said I was. Nobody would waste one perfectly good piece of metal on a useless twit like him, the enemy would take care of that issue!

 Reply | Report | Page Top Post #61 By grimreaper_47,

Thank you silentone, It is nice to see someone else can see these people for what they truly represent. Could you imagine actually having to live their lives? These people hurry home from work just to toss insults at someone else because they are unhappy in their own everyday lives.I don't mind being the target of their abuse. It is better me then their kids and the kids and people in the neighborhood. 

Reply | Report | Page Top  Post #62 By itinerant,

 Just read reapers posts first he blames his parents for his abuse, which by today’s standard would be considered unstable. I do believe they suffered from alcoholism did they not?  Next it will be the army for his mental instability as he now quotes scenes from his past He sounds like Brando as Kurtz in the movie Apocalypse Now

The grim reaper bringer of death; Armageddon; and the horror oh the horror. If you did serve in any capacity good for you Dave. But the military like your childhood seems to have left some bad lasting impressions in your life. I only hope this time you will not hold others responsible for your choices. 

Reply | Report | Page Top  Post #63 By itinerant,

Fond memories of the Nam, too bad you weren't there, you would have enjoyed it.........for a very short time! Grim's the name and Armegeddon was the game and I played it well and you can't talk to those who crossed my path in those days. Haven't forgotten the skills after all these years and it puts a smile on my face as I sharpened my "sickle". Good night and good bye and have a good time PLAYING WITH YOURSELVES, EH? 

Reply | Report | Page Top  Post #64 By grimreaper_47,

Children have nothing to fear from me in our neighborhood. However i can't say the same for you itinerant. I will protect the children while you will defend the pedophiles that prey on them go ahead bash away I am finished with this stuff. I will do what I can in real life and to hell with you and all your sick friends online.  

Reply | Report | Page Top  Post #65 By dodger,

grim you sound crazy, sick and twisted. I dont think you and you cohorts are indicative of the voices of Cornwall. You live a distorted fantasy and should seek professional help. No really man, we read about people like you all the time. Hopefully your dementia gets noticed before you hurt someone. Good luck my friend 

Reply | Report | Page Top   Post #66 By silentnomore,

You're right, I do sound crazy, sick and twisted and that's what happens when you get abused but just look at all the good the professionals helped me with, it gets you going but just the same I have done something to help the abused and it's on record for all to see unlike those of you who like to throw stones at people like me who can rag your petty *sses and you don't even realize it. NOBODY who is as sick as you and your buddy say am could ever have done all of the good that I have. And if you're that stupid that you can't see through all that I've ragged on you about, then who is the sick one? I ACTUALLY DID SOMETHING THAT'S ALL OVER GOOGLE, A SICK AND TWISTED MAN COULDN'T HAVE DONE THAT BUT THEN AGAIN, I sucked you, 2faced and Itinerant in with my game playing with y'all. Toodle do for quite a while! Hugs and kisses and don't forget to take turns being on top and pullease use a safe, not the kind you put money in stupid, but the safe that you put on the ends of your little dicks! Bye-bye 

Reply | Report | Page Top  Post #67 By grimreaper_47  


How could anyone take this guy seriously? I mean I actually have to laugh aloud. Really with that mentality who would credit him with anything other then being a common abuser. He suits the profile, victims will mimc their abusers. I hope someone is watching him real time

I can only imagine how many times you sharpen your sickle Dave. I just hope it's yours alone by your own hand.

 

Reply | Report | Page Top  Post #68 By itinerant,